jumping on the slin wagon

[snowball]

well after tone"s of research i decided to throw slin in my cycle. test ,tren , a bombs. i said to myself, if ican walk in CVS, ask for slin+ pins if they give it to me its a done deal. so i get my slin drive to vitamin shop and buy a big container of waximaize, complex carb sup, now i take all my vit, creatine protien, waximaize, glut, after a 4iu shot of humilin R. so far i did this then went to the gym, i know its better to do after, as of now i dont think ill be doing the 10iu morn , after, night routine, just after training, i cant find anywear if bb are taking non training days off or just run all wk with it, any outher sugestions? please know lectures on the dangers, im well aware of them and how to deal with them if it happens, also cycle time?

 

[Trevdog]

I'd suggest only doing it on training days. If you're going to use it before or while working out, keep in mind that lifting further depletes your blood sugar, so you'll need to drink gatorade or some other sugary drink while you're training. Be careful and let us know how it works out.

 

[Trevdog]

I don't believe any of the bullshit about using slin and becoming diabetic because of it, there is really no limit on how long you can use it.

 

[snowball]

thanx i was also worried about this injesting suger, now it ok because i avoided suger all my bb life, isnt it gonna make me fat? or is the slin gonna force it to muscle storage?

 

[FerrariF50]

i use insulin on training days post workout and wouldn't use it any other way right now. i think the idea behind using it on non training days is to potentially speed up recovery.

most from what i've read slin is best cycled 4-6 weeks on 4-6 off. personally i think you build up a tolerance to it after a short time.

its pretty dangerous to use it pre workout as the workout itself can bring on hypoglycemia.

as i understand slin will only shuttle fat in the time window that its active. which is why humalog is preferred.

 

[Trevdog]

thanx i was also worried about this injesting suger, now it ok because i avoided suger all my bb life, isnt it gonna make me fat? or is the slin gonna force it to muscle storage?

A lot of people do report gaining fat when they use insulin. People sometimes get into a pretty sketchy balancing act of trying to get in *enough* sugar to prevent hypogylcemia but not consuming *too much* (resulting in some fat gain). You really don't have a choice, though. You need simple carbs when you inject insulin, other carbs just don't raise your blood sugar fast enough, it isn't even close. Even with them, I've gone hypo numerous times and it has been unpleasant and sometimes scary.

Bro, no offence and I know you don't want to hear it, but the fact that you're already injecting insulin and you're questioning whether you need simple sugar kinda scares me. This shit can kill you. Please be careful.

 

[snowball]

thank you its just besides the fact you need to raise blood suger with simple carbs it makes it sound like you consume suger like its ok now , thank you for your knowledge , i know the warning signs

 

[Phil9999]

i took insulin only one time i took 4 ius. I dont know if i had a panic attack or if i went hypo but i was scared i felt really drowsy and started to really bug out. I ate a whole thing of diabetic sugar tablets. A regular pepsi and some candy. Normally i would have never eaten or drank that stuff but i was really scared. And im pretty crazy when it comes to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) ive run up to 2 g of testosterone a week this shit just seemed to be on a whole diff level. Well good luck with it and keep us updated man.

 

[snowball]

i took insulin only one time i took 4 ius. I dont know if i had a panic attack or if i went hypo but i was scared i felt really drowsy and started to really bug out. I ate a whole thing of diabetic sugar tablets. A regular pepsi and some candy. Normally i would have never eaten or drank that stuff but i was really scared. And im pretty crazy when it comes to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) ive run up to 2 g of testosterone a week this shit just seemed to be on a whole diff level. Well good luck with it and keep us updated man.

thats why your the sauce monster, im like that also i run mega doses of test or whatever, im bieng careful with this, researching my ass off, i found a good amount of info.

 

[kerdem1977]

insulin

First of all, when you are going hypo, none of the diabetic friends i know drinks 100g of carb drink or eat 10 candies or drink 3 bottles of pepsi, all they do is take their pill, which i belive like between 5 to 10 grams simple sugar. i have been using slin for a while, now and always everyday, and i never had hypo, i came close couple times though. Since you cant buy humalog which is actually the really fast acting one 15 mins, there is no need to worry too much with humilin r which peaks about hour, hour and half with me. as long as you eat every 3 hours you will be ok, but its always wise to have a carb drink, i personally have isopure mass, which works great for me. i have couple friends who are pros, and they both tell me the same thing, you gain from it like no other, IGF, insulin like growth factor for ex. i also believe that your buddy gets used to it after some time, for me it is between 4-6 weeks, andything more then that, you are waisting your time. i have never gained weight from anything else as i have gained from slin. i have done about 15 cycles, with it. the ultimate combo, would be slin test and gh, since gh works best when you have minumum sugar in your body, slin comes in super handy, all the pros i know you use that sort of combination. start slow with slin, and work your way up, i have done 40ius a day, and worked well. i have done many blood works, and i am healthy as an ox

 

[FerrariF50]

all they do is take their pill, which i belive like between 5 to 10 grams simple sugar.

everyone is different, as well for us we are not already diabetic. i know if i took only 10 grams of simple carbs after a slin shot, myself and others would most definitely go hypo.

Since you cant buy humalog which is actually the really fast acting one 15 mins, there is no need to worry too much with humilin r which peaks about hour, hour and half with me

humalog duration is 6 hours and peaks at 80 min to 120 min.
humalin r duration is 10 to 12 hours and peaks at the 3rd hour until the 5th hour.

i would be very careful during the peak times, and always have some type of liquid carb drink at your side.

 

[kerdem1977]

insulin acting times (the real)

it is not correct bro!!!!!
Very Fast acting - The fastest acting insulins are called lispro (Humalog)and insulin aspart (Novolog). They should be injected under the skin within 15 minutes before you eat. You have to remember to eat within 15 minutes after you take a shot. These insulins start working in five to 15 minutes and lower your blood sugar most in 45 to 90 minutes. It finishes working in three to four hours. With regular insulin you have to wait 30 to 45 minutes before eating. Many people like using lispro because it's easier to coordinate eating with this type of insulin.

Fast acting - The fast acting insulin is called regular insulin. It lowers blood sugar most in 2 to 5 hours and finishes its work in 5 to 8 hours.

Intermediate acting - NPH (N) or Lente (L) insulin starts working in one to three hours, lowers your blood sugar most in six to 12 hours and finishes working in 20 to 24 hours.

you can read the priscription of the slin you buy, exact same things, i never seen a humilin r that acts in 5 hours, after an hour you better have some carbs

 

[FerrariF50]

what is it exactly that you disagree with bud?

The fastest acting insulins are called lispro (Humalog)and insulin aspart (Novolog).

humalog and novolog are both brand names of 2 rapid acting insulins, created by eli lilly and novo nordisk respectively. with any differences between them being clinically irrelevant.

You have to remember to eat within 15 minutes after you take a shot.

this is where the pwo protein/simple carb shake is required. NOT a solid meal.

These insulins start working in five to 15 minutes and lower your blood sugar most in 45 to 90 minutes.

notice the attached graph below for approximate times. this is around when the solid protein/carb meal is to be consumed. WITHOUT fats.

With regular insulin you have to wait 30 to 45 minutes before eating.

Fast acting - The fast acting insulin is called regular insulin. It lowers blood sugar most in 2 to 5 hours and finishes its work in 5 to 8 hours

this confuses me tbh.

 

[GymLift]

I don't believe any of the bullshit about using slin and becoming diabetic because of it, there is really no limit on how long you can use it.

I frequently use 10iu and I have to wonder if I'm simply decreasing my body's insulin production by about... 10iu.

I guess what I'm getting to is that the anecdotal evidence is that using insulin at the doses we often see doesn't lead to diabetes.

Start injecting 50iu of insulin at a time and taking a shitload of carbs to go with it and do that long enough and yeah, you'll probably become a diabetic. You'll also probably be 400 pounds of fat.

 

[GymLift]

this confuses me tbh.

regular insulin is considered to be fast-acting.

Humalog/Novolog are even faster: rapid-acting.

For a big but lean guy, you will often find that the regular insulin is effectively out of the system in about 4 hours.

 

[GymLift]

so far i did this then went to the gym, i know its better to do after, as of now i dont think ill be doing the 10iu morn , after, night routine, just after training, i cant find anywear if bb are taking non training days off or just run all wk with it, any outher sugestions?

I personally don't agree with the whole "rapid acting post working insulin" hype. I also like to take insulin before heading to the gym.

Are you saying that you want to do 3 injections/day? I'd work my way up to that and I do disagree with doing a "night" injection. Maybe morning, lunch and late afternoon: that seems much more appropriate to me.

Yeah, you could probably take an injection sometime prior to bed and take enough of the right carbs to be safe, but unless you are a competitive BBer or some shit, that one just isn't the risk.

Personally, I try and emphasize insulin the day AFTER my more massive workouts because I feel that the body grows more than day after than the day of.

For me, the jury is still out on the insulin, however. I'm giving it a chance to see if I notice anything different.

 

[FerrariF50]

regular insulin is considered to be fast-acting.

Humalog/Novolog are even faster: rapid-acting.

For a big but lean guy, you will often find that the regular insulin is effectively out of the system in about 4 hours.

iirc fast acting/rapid acting insulin are the same, just different terms
short acting insulin, which the original poster is using, is classified as regular insulin

 

[snowball]

5th day on slin already jumped to 10iu thats my limit anyway. gym ,home , shot , carb drink cooking now will eat in 10 min watching for anything unusual, been eating mostly proitien all day, chicken breast brown rice with lunch , cooking chopmeat now with sweet potato, i eat every 2 hrs until 2 mornning, if i get up to pee ill take a couple of teaspoons of cottage cheese

 

[Trevdog]

I frequently use 10iu and I have to wonder if I'm simply decreasing my body's insulin production by about... 10iu.

I guess what I'm getting to is that the anecdotal evidence is that using insulin at the doses we often see doesn't lead to diabetes.

Start injecting 50iu of insulin at a time and taking a shitload of carbs to go with it and do that long enough and yeah, you'll probably become a diabetic. You'll also probably be 400 pounds of fat.

I haven't really given much thought to how the body may compensate for the introduction of exogenous insulin. However, I don't think that the pancreas releases anywhere near as much insulin as I can introduce with a needle. Also, even assuming that the pacreas does less work when a bodybuilder is injecting insulin, I've never seen any indication that the pancreas is somehow damaged by the introduction of exogenous insulin.

I agree with your last statement to the extent that you can consume enough carbohydrates (over a long period of time) to become obese and diabetic - it is happening as we speak across America. However, I don't believe that injecting insulin does anything to make this any worse and I can hardly imagine that this would happen anyone serious enough about bodybuilding to consider injecting insulin for bodybuilding purposes. These kind of people tend to be in good shape, and the conditions for becoming diabetic just aren't there.

 

[snowball]

my father eat 1/2 gallon of ice cream a day and diabetes dont run in the family he became one from his diet. ive been reading mixed reviews wether prolong insulin use can bring on diabetes , i dont believe my 10iu after workout only on training days will cause any issues, i do feel full right now, as in guns loaded