Low Testosterone?

[THE-DET-OAK]

You WILL NOT get back to normal at this point without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). You need to run some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to get the testicles up and running at max capacity, then hit them with a SERM.

With only 2 cycles under your belt I am 100% positive you SHOULD be able to regain form and function.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

its like trying to start a motorcycle. you can kickstart it all you want, and it will not run. as soon as you push it to get it going and then throw it into gear it will start right back up and then be fine after that.

 

[lowtguy]

The det oaks advice sounds good. You're also going to need to do some searches on here and learn about all these things. Also, I'd recommend you jump over to the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) forum here and browse through it. Your situation isn't uncommon. Did you run PCTs (post cycle therapy) after your cycles? It is very important otherwise your balls generally won't rebound quickly.

Also your level of 13 is 375 ng/dL (US units). You're low but not shutdown. Try what the det oak said and you should bounce back. If not, you may need to consider trt.

 

[MattPorter]

Refer to this article in regards to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and what it can do for you.......

primordialperformance.com/store/health-fitness-articles-hcg.html

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I cant tell mate, they are bigger than when on cycle, im sure of that. i remember then being tiny!

Im unsure as to whether they are as big before i touched anything at all, i just could not remember that.

Is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy anything like testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if so i do not want to completly lose my natural test.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Refer to this article in regards to HCG and what it can do for you.......

primordialperformance.com/store/health-fitness-articles-hcg.html

why do you guys keep posting this, the information in this article IS NOT up to date..................I have asked them already to back up some of the theories in that article and have not yet received an answer. the reason is because itcan not be backed up..................................

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

the whole theory of waiting 2 weeks before starting SERM treament after HCG therapy is completely the opposite of what you should do........................also 350iu's of HCG a week during a cycle is not even enough to tickle the testiclesand is a complete waste of time.

The majority of the references for that article are well over 30 years old.

 

[kmid]

You WILL NOT get back to normal at this point without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). You need to run some HCG to get the testicles up and running at max capacity, then hit them with a SERM.

With only 2 cycles under your belt I am 100% positive you SHOULD be able to regain form and function.

ok i hear what your saying, will my doctor have a knowlodge of what these are? or will i have to get hold myself?

could you give me some information on serms? or names?

and how i would run this with HCG?

to the guy below aswell,
My 2 courses have been

late 2009 - dbol 4 weeks, 10 weeks deca 500mg and test 250mg. no post cycle therapy (pct). no real affect at this point

april - september 2010 - dbol 4 weeks, 8 weeks deca 500mg and 10 week test 500mg. then 6 weeks nolvadex at 20/10/10/10/10/10 3 weeks after last test jab.

looking at around june time i began feeling effects (deca dick apparently and so on)

from august onwards its just got darker and darker

 

[ryansm]

What about DAA (TCF-1)? would that be of any benefit??

 

[kmid]

by the way does anybody know why when i try to pm somebody it says i dont have access to do this?

 

[Primordial Performance]

why do you guys keep posting this, the information in this article IS NOT up to date..................I have asked them already to back up some of the theories in that article and have not yet received an answer. the reason is because itcan not be backed up..................................

The questions where addressed here -
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...hcg-post cycle therapy (pct)-help-needed.html

This article is the most up to date, progressive article you will find on hCG. Running high dose hCG for post cycle therapy (pct) is out of date advice.

-Eric

 

[ryansm]

by the way does anybody know why when i try to pm somebody it says i dont have access to do this?

You need a higher post count I believe.

 

[kmid]

guys, guys. your confusing the hell outa me here is HGC something i need to do? and run it with maybe clomid?

The guy i get my stuff from has just told me to run hcg, 3 high shots then run pct? how accutrate is this information hes giving me

He is also under the assumtion most of this is in my head, 12.8 is low enough to be causing erectile disfunction right? enough to be making me low and have zero sex drive?

 

[Good Grip]

What about DAA (TCF-1)? would that be of any benefit??

DAA (TCF-1) couldnt hurt I dont think. A lot of guys are saying good things about it for pct.

 

[peter north]

yes get going on HCG. I told you this and Det-Oak agreed, and he is someone who is heavily knowledgeable on this subject.

Best of luck, im sure it will be sorted out relatively quickly.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

The questions where addressed here -
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...hcg-post cycle therapy (pct)-help-needed.html

This article is the most up to date, progressive article you will find on hCG. Running high dose hCG for post cycle therapy (pct) is out of date advice.

-Eric

I already responded to your ridiculous desensitization theory that YOU have FAILED to prove.

FYI dont wast your time cause you CAN NOT prove it cause it doesnt exist!!!!!!!!!

Furthermore it is obvious from blood tests that 250iu's dont do much if anything for T production!!!!!!

there is a new study from the endocrinology society that CLEARY state 1,000iu is the adequate dose to over ride the negative feedback loop of an Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give me a minute and i will find that one too!!!!!!!!!

 

[Primordial Performance]

I already responded to your ridiculous desensitization theory that YOU have FAILED to prove.

no, you copy n pasted an article from another author.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

no, you copy n pasted an article from another author.

Ok buddy dont be a sour puss. would you like me to re-write what he wrote????? I mean im sure i can not say it better than him so why try?

Yes I use to beleive in that ridiculous myth myself. Yes it was him who made me realise how ridiculous it actually was. So what was wrong with that?

BTW it never should have been me trying to prove you wrong anyway, it should have been you proving your theory in the first place, but you wouldnt do it, cause you couldnt.

Now you have resorted to bashing my intelligence because you have no other avenues...

you have turned this into a shit show, I have tried to be polite since the begining.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Ok buddy dont be a sour puss. would you like me to re-write what he wrote????? I mean im sure i can not say it better than him so why try?

Yes I use to beleive in that ridiculous myth myself. Yes it was him who made me realise how ridiculous it actually was. So what was wrong with that?

BTW it never should have been me trying to prove you wrong anyway, it should have been you proving your theory in the first place, but you wouldnt do it, cause you couldnt.

Now you have resorted to bashing my intelligence because you have no other avenues...

you have turned this into a shit show, I have tried to be polite since the begining.

Some mis-information was being spread about hCG, so I was emailed to jump in.

I dont agree with the author you quoted to "debunk" my article. People have been taking my advice on hCG dosing and recovering better than they ever have when following more traditional hCG protocols. Not once in the 5 years Ive been advocating this protocol has someone followed it and not had rapid recovery after their cycle.

-Eric

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Some mis-information was being spread about hCG, so I was emailed to jump in.

I dont agree with the author you quoted to "debunk" my article. People have been taking my advice on hCG dosing and recovering better than they ever have when following more traditional hCG protocols. Not once in the 5 years Ive been advocating this protocol has someone followed it and not had rapid recovery after their cycle.

-Eric

no mis-information was being spread. You wrote an article that said do this cause HCG causes desensitization, do this cause HCG causes desensitization.

Then you posted a study on rats to back it up, I guess now i will have to post a study proving you wrong once again that the action of HCG is specie specific. Not to mention the fact the dosesused on the mice balls were comparitive to 7,500iu's on human balls.

I mean I dont understand why you just dont concede that you thought something at one time and apparently you need to re-think it. Thats all, its really not that big of a deal.

You are telling people to do this and do that based on something that you "think" will happen. its a total crock of shit that you are still trying to pass it off.

wether or not your patients recovered fine or not is not the issue, im willing to bet they could recover better though, especilly if they ran a higher dose of HCG on cycle, and ran an even higher dose up until 4 days before SERM treatment.

I have proven my pont and im done arguing with you, since you have now resorted to " Im just right and thats it, just trust me"

 

[BigBlackguy]

i believe clomid is more effective as post cycle therapy (pct) than nolva. its definately worth a try in your situation.

This. Clomid is a great SERM for recovering LH/FSH.

Toco-8 can definitely help the testes respond to LH or HCG. It usually takes a week after LH rises for the testes to start pumping out more testosterone. This is just anecdotal from bloodwork I've seen.