Low Testosterone?

[fishfreak]

The det oaks advice sounds good. You're also going to need to do some searches on here and learn about all these things. Also, I'd recommend you jump over to the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) forum here and browse through it. Your situation isn't uncommon. Did you run post cycle therapy (pct)s (post cycle therapy) after your cycles? It is very important otherwise your balls generally won't rebound quickly.

Also your level of 13 is 375 ng/dL (US units). You're low but not shutdown. Try what the det oak said and you should bounce back. If not, you may need to consider trt.

Thats fuckin awesome to hear...Im 40yrs old now & dumped off a 2yr cycle after & no post cycle therapy (pct) [not my choice ok] Im at over 800ng/dl wiith just some arimidex once & awhile [ 1/4 tab eod] Then I take 2 mo's off that & use 20mg of nolva a day for a feww weeks. I always take a 4-6wks off after 4-6wks on either & it seems to be workin well for me.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Kmid im sorry bro-I retract my last few posts. I got so side tracked i didnt realise you have already had numerous blood testing.

Get the HCG, run 500iu ed like i suggested. do this for 10 days. wait 4 days and then start your SERM.

My choice of SERM treatment is:

clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Keep in mind thats the guessing way to run HCG.

The best way would be to run 500iu ED or 1,000 EOD for like 10-14 daya, then get your blood tests done while on the HCG. Do not stop HCG while waiting for results. Once the results come back if your total t is within physiological range, or at the upper end, then discontinue HCG and run your SERM

 

[kmid]

Kmid im sorry bro-I retract my last few posts. I got so side tracked i didnt realise you have already had numerous blood testing.

Get the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), run 500iu ed like i suggested. do this for 10 days. wait 4 days and then start your SERM.

My choice of SERM treatment is:

clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20

Not a problem, happy to potentially get it started quicker

Only problem is the contact i have hasn't got back to me in 4 days which isnt helping! Messaged him a few times and nothing!

Lets just say i get started on a Monday for instance, only days i can get bloods are tuesday and friday. So if i was to run at 500ie ed would friday be ok? (5 days in) to get the test and have it back by tuesday being the 9th day?

any preference on 1000 eod or 500 ed? and 10 or 14 days? just want to get everything near enough spot on.

Also what result would you consider reasonable or high enough to then run the serms?

What if it isnt high enough? what does that mean? whats the next plan of action if not?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Not a problem, happy to potentially get it started quicker

Only problem is the contact i have hasn't got back to me in 4 days which isnt helping! Messaged him a few times and nothing!

Lets just say i get started on a Monday for instance, only days i can get bloods are tuesday and friday. So if i was to run at 500ie ed would friday be ok? (5 days in) to get the test and have it back by tuesday being the 9th day?

any preference on 1000 eod or 500 ed? and 10 or 14 days? just want to get everything near enough spot on.

Also what result would you consider reasonable or high enough to then run the serms?

What if it isnt high enough? what does that mean? whats the next plan of action if not?

You need to run the HCG for at least 10 days before getting blood drawn.

Like I said you do not HAVE to get blood drawn but it WOULD be th most effective way.

the only difference between the 2 doses is how you will react to higher doses at once. HCG directly stimulates aromatization in the leydig cells. if you are gyno prone you should do the 500iu schedule.

if your testicles do not prodce enough T during HCG teatment that means you have developed secondary hypogonadism. This means you will need more HCG before starting SERM treatment.

 

[kmid]

Okay i see what your saying, well after both of them courses i have never had gyno problems.

Do you think it would be of benefit to order more than 5000ie?

run 500ed

sunday through to sunday 8 days = 4000ie

monday and tuesday 2 days = 1000ie

get bloods on the tuesday (10th day)

wednesday to friday 3 days = 1500iu

get results on friday

last shot on saturday = 500iu

In total = 7000 ie over 14 days

Then if all is good with the results, wait till wednesday and run serms.

Or a saturday start would mean bloods on the 11th day but my results would come back on the 15th day, one day ahead of my final shot.

 

[kmid]

While im in here guys, can anbody that pops into the thread answer this one, i seem to have an issue with sweating a lot.

heavily under the arm pits, i mean just sitting down wearing a tee-shirt and i would be sweating heavily. Not even active or doing much, just sitting there

Happened during my second cycle and i had to get hold of some driclor and this stopped it.

Problem went away over november december.

but recently its back again, sweating for no reason heavily in the arm pit area

was told it was the testosterone causing it while on cycle, but levels are low currently so i dont understand why its back!

 

[BiGnNasty]

While im in here guys, can anbody that pops into the thread answer this one, i seem to have an issue with sweating a lot.

heavily under the arm pits, i mean just sitting down wearing a tee-shirt and i would be sweating heavily. Not even active or doing much, just sitting there

Happened during my second cycle and i had to get hold of some driclor and this stopped it.

Problem went away over november december.

but recently its back again, sweating for no reason heavily in the arm pit area

was told it was the testosterone causing it while on cycle, but levels are low currently so i dont understand why its back!

Old Spice "Matterhorn" is the strongest deodorant i have ever used that shit stays on for days even after showering and trying to wash it off. I dont use it anymore but it will help for sure

 

[kmid]

Old Spice "Matterhorn" is the strongest deodorant i have ever used that shit stays on for days even after showering and trying to wash it off. I dont use it anymore but it will help for sure

The driclor does the job like, i may take a look at the Spice aswell.

but its only come on since taking my second cycle

Any ideas why its come on? Id understand if i was on cycle, but why come back now being off cycle for months?

I was told it was because of the increase in testosterone while on cycle? so why now when my test is low?

 

[kmid]

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[THE-DET-OAK]

cant discuss prices on the open board....................

 

[urpimp]

Posting here as I have a similar problem but dont want to steal the thread either. If necessary I will start another one. Basically I had a hormone test done and my results are low as well for test and some other things.

Background: 24 y/o and have done 1 cycle. currently 200lbs. First cycle was test e, dbol (weeks 1-4) Ran test at 500mg/week for 10 weeks about 6 months ago. I thought I had some gyno coming on so in week 5 or 6 started nolva at 20mg a day throughout remainder of cycle and pct as well with it.

Test Results:
test: 320 ng/dl
fsh at 1.2 mIU/mL
LH: 4.7 mIU/mL
estradiol: 28 pg/ml
ast: 79
alt: 61
bilirubin: 1.4 mg/dL

Trying to figure out if I need to do anything to bring my values back to normal. Doc said ast and alt values could be inflated from working out but otherwise liver is probably a little inflamed. I want to start another cycle but want to make sure everything is in check first to make sure it is ok to do so. I noticed a dip in my sex drive and motivation but this was before cycle as well. Schedule to talk to an endo, but want to see what everyone thinks first. Also the doc said my test level was normal and not worry unless I'm under 300. I'm 20 points away?? On top of that I'm 24. My levels are for someone much older.

 

[kmid]

apologies iv editied

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Okay i see what your saying, well after both of them courses i have never had gyno problems.

Do you think it would be of benefit to order more than 5000ie?

run 500ed

sunday through to sunday 8 days = 4000ie

monday and tuesday 2 days = 1000ie

get bloods on the tuesday (10th day)

wednesday to friday 3 days = 1500iu

get results on friday

last shot on saturday = 500iu

In total = 7000 ie over 14 days

Then if all is good with the results, wait till wednesday and run serms.

Or a saturday start would mean bloods on the 11th day but my results would come back on the 15th day, one day ahead of my final shot.

sounds like a plan that will work just fine. whoever you getting your HCG from is trying to rape you. just order it off the net.

 

[kmid]

Ok guys, update.

Got my gear coming soon.

10,000iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), 50mg clomid x 50 and 20mg nolva x 50

Guy has also got me the bacterial water and insulin needles.

so a few questions about taking the HCG.

1) When mixing the hcg with bacterial water, whats the proportian? how much water? how do i know how much is 500iu?

2) Are the insulin needles needed? (the guy whos gettin these needles says you pin them just below the stomach?)

3) My usual site with the deca and test was my ass, can i pin here? i already have green and blue pins, which pin is advised? or do i use these insulin needles?

 

[mlc31]

10,000iu mixed with 10ml of bac water will yield 1000iu per ml. Slin pins are great. I inject into my side right at about the belt line.

 

[kmid]

Is this the best area to pin it?

 

[rocko3927]

You WILL NOT get back to normal at this point without HCG. You need to run some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to get the testicles up and running at max capacity, then hit them with a SERM.

With only 2 cycles under your belt I am 100% positive you SHOULD be able to regain form and function.

xxx's100

 

[kmid]

xxx's100

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[ryansm]

He is saying that he agrees with The-Det-Oaks post.