Susts and blends

[prophet]

i'm not missing the point, but someone is.

i haven't seen a lot of labs putting out test-e 400. and you're saying yourself that you don't go over 350 because of the pain. that's why most people don't brew test-e at concentrations going that far beyond 300.... as i said. yes, you can 'get it to hold' but if you can't get it to hold AND be a painless injection, what's the point of getting it to hold?

i've tried test-e 350 and test e/c 200/200 and the 200/200 was smoother. and i'd say more sources sell e/c blends for that very reason.

single esters are not necessary best for stable blood levels. but that's something a person has to learn on their own, so we can agree to disagree on that one. if you ever actually study it, i'd bet money you would come to see it a different way.

in any case, it sounds like you're arguing just to argue. e and c are identical.... yet you're arguing using them both. what's the difference? according to you, there's no difference (i think there is a different in how smooth they pin) so why argue it. if you want to be right just to be right i'll say it.... you're right, i'm wrong.

congrats, you managed to 1-up someone on a public steroid forum. mission accomplished. carry on.

 

[ChrisWho?]

it also doesn't do anything detrimental, nor do most people sell 400 or 500mg test-e. i haven't been keeping abreast of brewing sections on forums recently, but most people i know can't get it to hold very well beyond a few hundred mg. if you know a ton of labs selling 400 and 500mg/cc test-e feel free to correct me, but i certainly haven't seen that kind of number on regular test-e from any labs i've ever looked at.

plus det is right. the wave patterns, as well as the peak levels, are totally different. and for those who know who esters really work, sust is actually not a bad idea because of the peaks it reaches in comparison to the others, and the manner in which it builds to those peaks. but if you don't understand that and want to go on thinking it doesn't matter at all.... be my guest.
for beginners, however, i agree with just sticking to simple stuff.

Sust is the hardest test to keep stable. Are you talking about the spike in the beginning or the long drawn out build up of the decanoate ester thats not a bad idea?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Your missing the point, Test E and C are identicle. Why have a 200mg test e/200mg test c blend when 400mg test E is the same.

I agree here to a point. it depends on your goals, ever heard someone say they blew up on suspension?

thats because of the instant increase in T levels.

as far as E and C are concerned, some do respond better than others to one or the other. This is due to the different amounts of esterase we have in the body, and the amounts of each, these esterase are responsible for cleaving the ester.

If a person notices more water on one than the other, then they may not have adequate amounts of that esterase to cleave that ester, causing build up and an even slower release rate to the blood............ sooooo

some believe test E is the "more natural ester"

other than that your right.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

again i agree, sust will not build stable levels, but it may provide more gains due to that instability.

 

[prophet]

i wouldn't bother det... he already knows everything about esters obviously, and no one will tell him anything different.

guys like to know everything on these forums. and 'proving' that means the world to them.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i wouldn't bother det... he already knows everything about esters obviously, and no one will tell him anything different.

guys like to know everything on these forums. and 'proving' that means the world to them.

be easy though, lets try to discuss like friends, i like chriswho

 

[ChrisWho?]

i'm not missing the point, but someone is.

i haven't seen a lot of labs putting out test-e 400. and you're saying yourself that you don't go over 350 because of the pain. that's why most people don't brew test-e at concentrations going that far beyond 300.... as i said. yes, you can 'get it to hold' but if you can't get it to hold AND be a painless injection, what's the point of getting it to hold?

i've tried test-e 350 and test e/c 200/200 and the 200/200 was smoother. and i'd say more sources sell e/c blends for that very reason.

single esters are not necessary best for stable blood levels. but that's something a person has to learn on their own, so we can agree to disagree on that one. if you ever actually study it, i'd bet money you would come to see it a different way.

in any case, it sounds like you're arguing just to argue. e and c are identical.... yet you're arguing using them both. what's the difference? according to you, there's no difference (i think there is a different in how smooth they pin) so why argue it. if you want to be right just to be right i'll say it.... you're right, i'm wrong.

congrats, you managed to 1-up someone on a public steroid forum. mission accomplished. carry on.

What are you talking about? That last paragrapgh is a cluster fuck lol.

 

[prophet]

chris, det made my point for me, so read his post. and when i was saying single esters are not necessarily the best way to get stable blood levels, i wasn't continuing my point about sust, i was simply saying there are actually better ways to create stability that only a single ester. sust isn't it, but sust still has it's potential 'benefits'.

 

[ChrisWho?]

i'm not missing the point, but someone is.

i haven't seen a lot of labs putting out test-e 400. and you're saying yourself that you don't go over 350 because of the pain. that's why most people don't brew test-e at concentrations going that far beyond 300.... as i said. yes, you can 'get it to hold' but if you can't get it to hold AND be a painless injection, what's the point of getting it to hold?

i've tried test-e 350 and test e/c 200/200 and the 200/200 was smoother. and i'd say more sources sell e/c blends for that very reason.

single esters are not necessary best for stable blood levels. but that's something a person has to learn on their own, so we can agree to disagree on that one. if you ever actually study it, i'd bet money you would come to see it a different way.

in any case, it sounds like you're arguing just to argue. e and c are identical.... yet you're arguing using them both. what's the difference? according to you, there's no difference (i think there is a different in how smooth they pin) so why argue it. if you want to be right just to be right i'll say it.... you're right, i'm wrong.

congrats, you managed to 1-up someone on a public steroid forum. mission accomplished. carry on.

I'm all for a good debate and am always up to learn. But your childish jabs here and there are what will bring a good debate down.

 

[prophet]

yes, i was reiterating what you said, that they are identical, and then pointing out how if they are identical, and you can get a pain-free 400mg/ml concentration, but a 400mg/ml concentration of test-e alone is harder to do so.... then why argue so much over the use of it.

i was pointing out one reason why blends like that can be handy. but you want to argue just to argue because you've said that blends are gimmicks for the uninformed. i'm not going to waste time arguing to argue. if you can't understand the simple points i was making, i really don't know what to say. probably best to say nothing.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I agree, no jabs, or i will call in DADAWG lol

 

[ChrisWho?]

yes, i was reiterating what you said, that they are identical, and then pointing out how if they are identical, and you can get a pain-free 400mg/ml concentration, but a 400mg/ml concentration of test-e alone is harder to do so.... then why argue so much over the use of it.

i was pointing out one reason why blends like that can be handy. but you want to argue just to argue because you've said that blends are gimmicks for the uninformed. i'm not going to waste time arguing to argue. if you can't understand the simple points i was making, i really don't know what to say. probably best to say nothing.

400mg of hormone is 400mg of hormone, it doesn't make a fuck what ester is attached. Your shit was probably underdosed as 400mg shouldn't be smooth.

 

[crazyfmike]

Both Chris and prophet certainly have places here. I love this shit and allot of good come from these slightly heated debates, it's all good because we all learn a ton really fast.....lol

I "know" Chris from the CS Section and Bro knows his stuff over there.

In that I believe I could have done a better job clarifying my point on using the ester like it's another compound is what these guy seem to post after post on here. Prophet is correct about ester uses but Chris understood my point and followed it better dispite my failure of clarity.

Group hug.

 

[prophet]

400mg of hormone is 400mg of hormone, it doesn't make a fuck what ester is attached. Your shit was probably underdosed as 400mg shouldn't be smooth.

it wasn't underdosed. and i've done it myself as well. and things can be effected by the type of ester attached, because your body is what takes the hormone off the ester.

 

[crazyfmike]

The only difference I can tell pinning Test P or Test C is how sore my ass is. BL's are going to be more stable pinning ED or EOD. The "look" or the water or whatever the fuck you want to call it is the BL's creeping up and down from the injection infrequency.

Test is Test.