The Clear.... 10 times stronger than Tren?!??!?!!!

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Okay, so i was looking through the steroid profiles and reading up on some of the different compounds when i come across some thing ive never heard of. "the Clear". so i read the description and it says this shit is 10x stronger then nandrolone and Tren?? is this for real... ive read that tren is 5x stronger than test. so if both of those numbers are true then The Clear is 50x stronger than test!?!?!! anyone ever heard of this? is this a real drug? and where in Gods name can i get some?! hahaha (that last one is rhetorical for the ass that wants to call me out on asking for a source lol)
 
Probably a good reason its not used.
Halotestin is I believe rated as 17x anabolic as test and 7-10x androgenic or something like that...don't quote these haha
 
i couldnt imagine it is used regularly. it must have some crazy harsh sides. id just love to know if anyone has heard of it being used or had experience with it.
 
Good luck finding it. It was widely used by professional athletes as the testing methods couldn't detect its metabolite at the time, but they caught on and busted the lab that was synthesizing the drug.

It was crazy expensive and very rare with a very long list of sides. I'm sure there are still some circles that might have it, but I've yet to come across the real deal.

If you want to learn more, I'm sure Google can pull up the news story about the pro baseball guys that got popped for it, and how they turned over the source. I know there were some big names involved, but they escape me at the moment.
 
Good luck finding it. It was widely used by professional athletes as the testing methods couldn't detect its metabolite at the time, but they caught on and busted the lab that was synthesizing the drug.

It was crazy expensive and very rare with a very long list of sides. I'm sure there are still some circles that might have it, but I've yet to come across the real deal.

If you want to learn more, I'm sure Google can pull up the news story about the pro baseball guys that got popped for it, and how they turned over the source. I know there were some big names involved, but they escape me at the moment.

thanks Half wit. you always have some great info. ill google it and see what i can find
 
The Clear is the designer steroid used by Victor Conte and the BALCO scandal. So many top level athletes were on it. A Rod, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, the list goes on and on. From what I heard it would still be undetectable if it wasn't for a disgruntled trainer who sent a syringe full to the anti doping agency.
 
interesting...


so why isn't it on the market anymore.. even the ugl market?
 
interesting...


so why isn't it on the market anymore.. even the ugl market?
 
I found this write up.
First of all, its a very strong androgen as well as progestin (1), but I doubt it has much potential for bodybuilders. This seems contradictory at first, but I think that if you were to really use this stuff to gain the kind of weight that is winning bodybuilding shows or to get as ripped as current judging standards require, you would need to take an amount of this stuff that would surely cause progesterone related side effects.

On a milligram for milligram basis, I would suspect its probably going to be very potent and maybe somewhere between 5-10mgs a day would be appropriate. The method of administration for BALCO athletes on the program was to take a few drops of it and allow it to be absorbed under the tongue. Personally, I would have liked to see how it performed as a nasal spray, but we will probably never have the answer to that question.

THG, which is essentially 17-alpha ethylated gestrinone, very well to the androgen receptor (like its parent compound) (1, 4), and likely produces many of the lipolytic (fat burning) and anabolic (muscle building) effects we typically see with such strong androgen binding, Unfortunately, it also exhibits progesteronic activity roughly 7x as potent as progesterone itself (making it literally dozens of times a more potent progestin than nandrolone). (1) Although it has no ability to aromatize (4) (and I suspect is 5a-reducatse resistant), because of its ability to act as a very powerful progestin, I would suspect that its ability to inhibit the natural production of testosterone would be literally off the charts. Its also possible that its powerful ability to stimulate the progesterone receptor was helping athletes feel better and less beat up from their workouts.

I still cant even imagine how badly it must have shut down natural testosterone production, though I would speculate that its probably staggeringly suppressive. Perhaps this is the reason it was orally administered, or perhaps this is the reason it was often administered in conjunction with the Cream which was a testosterone based transdermal product.

I dont know what kind of street value something like this would actually have, or even if its ever been attempted by an underground lab, but its unlikely to be widely available any time in the near future.
 
Tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) is similar in structure to Gestrinone which isn't
an active anabolic steroid itself... but it does have a close structural relationship
to trenbolone...

It's also been documented to be over 14 times more effective than
methyltestosterone - "metandren" - so I can see how there can be some
confusion on the power behind it.

Very cool and interesting post... "ah shit, I'll stick to the basic STUFF!" :D
 
http://musculardevelopment.com/artic...l#.VEeypor3bCQ


THG: Most Controversial Steroid Ever


Its existence was suspected, known only through whispers generated along the rumor stream that tries to monitor who is gaining an edge in the world of competitive athletics. One of perhaps dozens of designer drugs used by some of the world's top athlete-celebrities, it's made and distributed by the shadowy figures hovering on the edges of the playing fields and in the corners of the training centers. Yet, in the few weeks that have transpired since its discovery, nearly every sports broadcaster and reporter has posted a headline or cover story about the greatest controversy yet exposed to the public regarding the use of illicit drugs by athletes.



A History of Controversy

Three major controversies involving steroids have occurred during modern sports history. The first happened in 1988 when Olympic gold medalist Ben Johnson of Canada was stripped of his medal after testing positive for stanazolol (Winstrol).1 Olympic officials believed Johnson and others were being guided by physicians who could provide the drug on a schedule that would clear the drug from the system prior to any competition's urine drug testing.

The second transpired in the summer of 2002, when the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) determined that Tammy Thomas, a female cyclist who won a silver medal in the 2001 World Championships, was using norbolethone.2 Norbolethone is an anabolic steroid developed decades ago, but never marketed for commercial use. The USADA announced concern that the discovery indicated clandestine labs were making and providing performance-enhancing drugs for athletes, specifically structured so as to be undetectable by current drug-testing methods.3 As norbolethone had never before been available, there was no drug "fingerprint" to compare. Until the USADA has a specific "fingerprint" in its files, it is unable to identify drugs, which is required to declare a test positive. The identification of norbolethone by the USADA prevents other athletes from obtaining the same drug, and the same advantage, that Thomas had used to acquire her high ranking in the competitive sport of cycling.

The latest controversy poses the greatest challenge to the USADA and other drug-testing centers. It involves the creation of a new molecule, one never before documented, designed as much for its ability to remain undetected as for its performance-enhancing properties. One such drug, THG, is the center of a media blitz, as dozens of athlete-celebrities are being subpoenaed before a federal grand jury, while many others are threatened with suspension from competition.3-8 Beyond ending the professional career of these athletes, the taint of a positive drug test is also likely to cancel many lucrative endorsement contracts and lessen fan support of the teams and players involved.



What Exactly is THG?

The media has focused on the people implicated in this scandal, including Victor Conte of BALCO Labs, inventor of the ZMA mineral supplement.3-8 One politician is using this connection to suggest THG was marketed as a supplement, but this was never the case.9 While all the intrigue and celebrity gossip is suitable fodder for headlines, what most scientists, athletes and bodybuilders would like to know is: What exactly is THG?

THG. These three letters form the abbreviation for tetrahydrogestrinone, a previously undocumented androgenic steroid. In the media, THG has been compared to two steroids, primarily because of its chemical structure; these steroids are gestrinone and trenbolone.10 This alone may make many bodybuilders begin to quiver with excitement, as trenbolone is one of the most highly regarded anabolic steroids for promoting quality mass gains. Further, the gains achieved with trenbolone are thought to have greater permanence than the more fleeting gains of testosterone esters. Before grouping THG with trenbolone, it is important to understand why this comparison is made and decide if it is accurate. Much of this discussion deals with the molecular structure of anabolic steroids, as THG has never been studied clinically.

Anabolic steroids have four rings connected side by side. The rings are formed by individual carbon atoms that are linked together by chemical bonds. Any carbon atom may have functional groups attached to it, forming a "tag" that defines the function of the steroid. It's the different types of bonds and functional groups that determine what effect a steroid has in the body. Not all steroids are androgens; some act as estrogens, others are catabolic, acting like cortisol, and still others have different functions, such as vitamin D, cholesterol, etc. It is this chemical complexity that accounts for the different drug profiles of the various anabolic steroids. This explains why some are effective for mass gains but cause water retention, while others promote lean gains but do not develop strength, as well.

THG and related steroids (trenbolone and gestrinone) have three double bonds along three rings of the molecule, an unusual pattern that is different from naturally produced hormones. One effect of this double-bond pattern is to protect the steroid from aromatization, meaning THG is unlikely to have any significant conversion to an estrogen.11 This is obviously important to athletes, as estrogen excess leads to water retention, fat accumulation and causes gynecomastia in males. By preventing aromatization (and thus, estrogen formation), the athletes are likely to become harder, more defined and leaner. This would be particularly important for the track and field athletes. Not surprisingly, then, most of the positive THG drug tests are being discovered among track and field athletes.

The lack of estrogenic effect would limit some of the mass/weight gain seen with many anabolic steroids. However, it's being suggested that many of the athletes who were using THG may have been combining it with hGH (human growth hormone) to augment the size and strength gains of the drug use, as hGH cannot be detected using current testing methods.3



Undesirable Side Effects

It is difficult to estimate what degree of anabolism would be experienced from THG use, as gestrinone and trenbolone have very different effects in the body. Gestrinone is an anti-estrogenic, anti-progestin steroid used to treat female conditions such as endometriosis, contraception, cyclical breast pain and fibrocystic disease of the breast.12-15 The use of gestrinone is associated with some weight gain, but there are no clinical trials reporting its use in males. Androgenic side effects are noted in some women treated with gestrinone.16 One interesting side effect of gestrinone is the marked reduction of sex-hormone binding globulin in the blood, which would increase testosterone bioavailability, though it would decrease the half-life.17 Gestrinone is odd in that it has a triple bond side chain attached to the 17-carbon. THG has this bond fully hydrolyzed, resulting in a C-17a ethyl alkylation of the base steroid, meaning that it is an alkylated steroid, just like most oral steroids. C-17a alkylation is associated with greatly increased liver toxicity.

In fact, the one steroid that THG most closely resembles is a drug called metribolone.18 Metribolone was referred to as oral trenbolone. Oral trenbolone sounds like a drug that should have been very popular, but it is reported to be extremely toxic to the liver. One comment about metribolone was that it made Anadrol and Halotestin seem mild in comparison. It would be quite interesting to read the lab reports of the athletes testing positive for THG to see if they suffer from elevated liver enzymes. The drug also affects behavior, suppressing mating behavior in rats and increasing aggression and fighting, as would be expected of an androgen.19,20

Another side effect likely to occur with THG use, common to most androgens, is suppression of natural testosterone production.16,21,22 This might cause many users to stay on the drug throughout a competitive season, as they would otherwise suffer from physical withdrawal unless they were able to use hCG or another drug without risking detection. The competitive seasons last longer than one would wisely use a drug closely resembling metribolone, increasing the risk of liver damage.

THG is a new drug, never before described in literature. It is a synthetic anabolic steroid designed primarily to allow athletes participating in drug-tested sports to have a competitive edge over their competition in a manner that violates the rules of their sport. THG would seemingly be effective, as it is essentially an oral form of trenbolone, an anabolic steroid known for its potent androgenic and anabolic effects. However, the unknown nature of THG's effects and the high likelihood of it having significant liver toxicity make it an unwise steroid choice for long-term use. Given that it suppresses natural testosterone production, it's likely that many of the athletes continue to use the drug throughout a competitive season. Absent of its ability to be used undetected (prior to its discovery by the USADA), there is little to recommend THG's use over other steroid choices, particularly trenbolone.



Great Damage Done
It's highly likely that THG is very effective at enhancing athletic performance, as elite caliber athletes would not risk using a drug (placing high-dollar endorsement and sponsorship on the line) without proof of its potency. Given the level of the athletes who have tested positive for THG and the many others who are implicated in this scandal, it's reasonable to assume THG helped win medals and set records. However, despite the benefits that a few individuals gained from using THG, it has done great damage. As yet another steroid scandal involving athlete-celebrities, it focuses negative media attention on steroid use once again, demonizing the practice. Also, as it may involve a highly visible manufacturer of a dietary supplement, it increases the pressure to regulate all supplements, which are facing the threat of greater government restrictions.

Steroid use may have many benefits and its use may one day have a place in American society. However, as long as individuals use anabolic steroids in a forbidden manner, such as violating fair sports play, it's certain the government and society will never view steroid use positively. If an athlete wants to compete in a drug-tested sport or organization, but uses drugs, that athlete should be stripped of any fame or fortune gained. Unfortunately, what will happen is that restrictions will be placed on all future steroid research, making it impossible to ever evaluate any benefits of anabolic steroids.



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Its been on the market for a long time and still is.

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Wow, I must hang in the wrong circles Kaz. I remember looking for the stuff a couple years ago, and it was often clomid or winstrol in a THG wrapper.

It still more spendy than var? Obviously not going to discuss prices, but most of us have a general idea on what costs what. (I do compare prices of stuff like a new toy with how many vials of test it would be LOL. )
 
Interesting, so its two big side effects are a complete and utter shutdown of natural testosterone production and a higher potential for liver damage. If someone has no natural testosterone production (or so little it does not matter - as in people on TRT), then the only issue would be the increased chance of liver damage. This same issue is found in all the oral steroids though. It also does not convert into estrogen, which is a positive.

This stuff does not look too bad to me...maybe I am missing something.
 
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