The strongest non steroid supplement for adding mass is...

[tase]

Lean Extreme

or

Anabolic Extreme Retain

Cheers fella ima check em out right now

 

[tase]

Oh, in low doses and just for increasing basal dhea levels, it can be taken for very long periods of time with no ill effects....
Now for our purposes, I take it at a much higher dose to feel the other benefits. I found that at higher doses you start to see the mood elevation, libido increase (majorly!), better erections, lean mass increase/fat loss, etc.. I slowly work my way up to a daily dose of around 150mg to 200mg daily (in 3 divided doses) and run that for about 16-20 weeks (with losts of water). I found it very helpful in natural (or off cycle) cutting phases/diets.

OK thanks

So whats your body weight stats so i can calculate the equivilent please

 

[tase]

Anabolic Extreme Retain

Retain2Keep Your Muscle And Gain New Lean Tissue Mass!
17b-triol™ designed by Anabolic Xtreme is a next generation leaning agent. It was developed to keep your body in a pro-anabolic state, to get you completely shredded. Stack with Hyperdrol™ and Mass FX™ for the most effective Xtreme muscle building stack available today.

17b-triol™
17b-triol™ (B-Androstenetriol) is a metabolite of DHEA and has been used for years to boost the immune system. B-androstenetriol is between 100 and 100,000 times more active than its DHEA precursor metabolites[/U].

Relora®
A natural proprietary blend of a patented (U.S. Patent No. US 6,582,735) extract of Magnolia officinalis and a patent-pending extract from Phellodendron amurense. During open human and clinical trials no significant side effects were reported. The trials measure DHEA levels in 12 patients with mild to moderate mental and physical stress. Depressed DHEA levels are associated with chronic stress. A two-week regimen of Relora® caused a significant increase in DHEA (227%).

7-Keto DHEA
7-Keto DHEA improves lean body mass enabling the body to build muscle in a growth promoting environment. It has also been shown to increase your body's ability to burn calories. It is a non-hormonal, non-androgenic derivative of DHEA. 7-Keto DHEA has been shown to safely "rev up" the basal metabolic rate and thus "burn" calories more rapidly and continually throughout the day, even while resting.

So why did we not include 7-Hydroxy DHEA?17b-triol™ metabolizes to 7-Hydroxy DHEA to some moderate degree on it's first pass so it was decided we would include 7-Keto DHEA for a more well rounded and balanced formula. 17b-triol™ and 7-Keto DHEA are directly supplied in the formula. DHEA and 7-Hydroxy-DHEA are created from the actions of Relora® and as a metabolite of 17b-triol™.

Retain2 Supplement Facts
90 Capsules
Serving Size1Capsule
Servings Per Container90
Retain Proprietary Matrix 250mg
Relora® (A Proprietary Blend Of Patented Extract From Magnolia Officinalis And A Proprietary Extract From Phellodendron Amurense), 17b-Triol™ (B0Androstenetriol), 7-Keto DHEA
Other Ingredients
Gelatin, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Modified Cornstarch, Magnesium Stearate, Silica

Retain2 Suggested Use:
As a dietary supplement, take 1 capsule 2-3 times daily with meals.

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Obviously by the sales pitch this seems better than pure DHEA but question is...is it!

Have you tried it DocJ!

 

[JayC]

OK thanks

So whats your body weight stats so i can calculate the equivilent please

5'8" around 205.lb and 12%BF

Most of the prohormones/anabolic extremes/etc. are just DHEA. I would recommend trying plain DHEA from a reputable company before paying 70 bucks for something else.

 

[tase]

5'8" around 205.lb and 12%BF

Most of the prohormones/anabolic extremes/etc. are just DHEA. I would recommend trying plain DHEA from a reputable company before paying 70 bucks for something else.

Sounds logical

Any good links please!

 

[DocJ]

Yes, I've tried it and for a "natural" supplement IMO it lived up to it's label claim.

 

[strictaddict]

im confused.

 

[mo'primo]

CEE hands down. But keep in mind the most anabolic thing is food, training, and rest.

 

[JayC]

im confused.

About what??

 

[MuscleH]

life

 

[strictaddict]

im confused about what DocJ was claiming was a good supplement.

 

[JayC]

im confused about what DocJ was claiming was a good supplement.

He was refering to the posts about Anabolic Extreme (a derivative of DHEA) natural supp and whether it worked.

 

[EX BOOTIE]

JayC, just looked up on wikipedia and it recons DHEA can cause male pattern baldness. I anit got a lot more to loose but whats your thoughts. Like to hang on to what I have.

 

[JayC]

JayC, just looked up on wikipedia and it recons DHEA can cause male pattern baldness. I anit got a lot more to loose but whats your thoughts. Like to hang on to what I have.

Interesting... I've done alot of research on DHEA and really didn't see that effect as a major issue for men taking DHEA.. I did however see that as a major issue for women who take DHEA. They say that a side effect for woman is hair loss. I've taken it numerous times and have never ever had a hair problem.

 

[tase]

Just got my batch of micronized dhea...Roll on

 

[Chicago Made]

Torque
6-oxo
DHEA
CEE

 

[yb62338]

Most non steroidal supplements are bullshit. There are exceptions. Stick with creatine and protein, and if creatine is giving you a cramp then protein.

Actually NO Xplode is quite effective for keeping you motivated and pumped, but you get a tolerance to it.

 

[Xoine]

arachidonic acid hands down.

 

[jdaake]

is the DHEA from GNC any good?

 

[SleepingAssPirate]

lolgnc