I used to live in the same place as gaspari, and from time to time he was at the gym i worked out at. All the guys were using it, and one of them was a genetic freak who at 26 had been off juice for about 5 years, and he said it works, not like gear, but better than any supps he used. Personally i would rather use but gear, but that is what i have been told about that product.