Anyway to repair Testicular Atrophy

[THE-DET-OAK]

running HCG with decent T levels does not make sense to me, it will further suppress LH and FSH. if anything a small dose of clomid or toremifine would be the safest route at this point.

 

[stev7667]

Cosmetic as well as fertility...

 

[stev7667]

I have run clomid and it did nothing. Uro said clomid won't do anything because I already have good LH/FSH. I am not hypogonadial in the usual sense... I have normal hormone lvls for the most part. But I still have lower testicular mass... probably due to sertoli cell atrophy...

 

[juced_porkchop]

Interesting I don't understand how that might work... never heard of running a cycle with hcg making balls bigger... I thought it just maintained them while on.

look HCG keeps balls bigger or brings them to a bigger size while on cycle because you are infact shut down. keep in mind that HCG DOAS NOT recover you, and HCG is NOT a post cycle therapy (pct).
you still need a post cycle therapy (pct) after cycle and using HCG while on post cycle therapy (pct) would make post cycle therapy (pct) pritty much usless.
you would ruin it.

 

[juced_porkchop]

running HCG with decent T levels does not make sense to me, it will further suppress LH and FSH. if anything a small dose of clomid or toremifine would be the safest route at this point.

exacly.
it will only further supress you.
use on cycle or nearing end of cycle but not Post cycle (unless your on HRT)

 

[juced_porkchop]

The latest I heard/read is when you do a long cycle and dont use hcg while on it, you do permanent damage

noooooo
being on HCG at high doses for long cycles WILL do permanent damage to yourself.
can permanently desisitize your balls.

its the other way around.

its safwr to do a 18wk cycle and only run HCG the last 4-6 weeks leadign upto BUT NOT into post cycle therapy (pct) then it is to run HCG for 18 weeks straight.

 

[blazeftp]

I was on cycle for 20 weeks.
Blasted HCG 4 weeks at the End.
Balls Went back to full size.

 

[stev7667]

So then there is no way to increase to reverse the atrophy then once it is set in?

What about this?

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.1993.tb00994.x/abstract

 

[blazeftp]

No one said the Damage was 100% Pernament.
Or there was any damage at all.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you can NOT get perm damage from HCG, it is IN FACT a myth, there is some down regulation, but its NOT perm.

 

[Zero V]

IF I missed it forgive me, what age were you when you cycled?

If it was when you were in your teens, I could theoretically see the effects being permanent due to your body stabilizing with them like that...

 

[stev7667]

I was 22-23.

 

[Zero V]

I was 22-23.

Then I doubt that was really the issue. I was thinking in the hormonal fluctuation years of being a teen.

Maybe there is another issue that is keeping them small. Have you been checked for cists, or anything like that?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

oddly enough people dont realize our hormones are actually on a roller coaster all the way til we are 25. its not until then that we actually find homeostasis. maybe thats why we fully mature right about then, for guys that are under 25 that dont like that comment, talk to me when your 25.

 

[stev7667]

Then I doubt that was really the issue. I was thinking in the hormonal fluctuation years of being a teen.

Maybe there is another issue that is keeping them small. Have you been checked for cists, or anything like that?

I had an ultra sound done... came back normal. Could be due to finasteride usage possibly...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

bingo, and we have a winner, there is your answer. i wouldnt touch that shit eaither, terribly dangerous to the HPTA in all kinds of ways.

 

[Zero V]

bingo, and we have a winner, there is your answer. i wouldnt touch that shit eaither, terribly dangerous to the HPTA in all kinds of ways.

Yes, are you still using it? OR was it just on cycle?

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

look HCG keeps balls bigger or brings them to a bigger size while on cycle because you are infact shut down. keep in mind that HCG DOAS NOT recover you, and HCG is NOT a PCT.
you still need a PCT after cycle and using HCG while on PCT would make PCT pritty much usless.
you would ruin it.

EXACTLY! That's why I suggest to do the next AAS cycle WITH HCG. For NOW, eat all the foods and do the exercise intensity intervals that stimulate natural test and GH. You could even use some test or libido/semen enhancing supplements to aid in testicular hypertrophy. My balls GREW after the last 3cycles in the OFF periods. I took some libido and semen enhancers typically as well

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

so you are also claiming this HCG desensitization theory right juicy?

 

[Zero V]

EXACTLY! That's why I suggest to do the next AAS cycle WITH HCG. For NOW, eat all the foods and do the exercise intensity intervals that stimulate natural test and GH. You could even use some test or libido/semen enhancing supplements to aid in testicular hypertrophy. My balls GREW after the last 3cycles in the OFF periods. I took some libido and semen enhancers typically as well

Dude! I thought I recognized you!!!