Body Transformation 9st to 15st (120lbs to 210) should i now cut before steroid? Pics

[skinnynowbig]

Hi Guys,

I am about to start a steroid cycle shortly, it has taken me a fair amount of time to put on 90lbs/6 stones.

I think my bodyfat is sitting quite high, so was wondering if i should cut 20lbs before my cycle, or do a steroid cutting cycle?

Ive never done a cut before, and a bit worried about losing gains;

Beginning Stats:

22yrs old
120lbs
5'11 tall
11" Arms
15" Neck
26" Waist
34" Chest


Stats Now:
23yrs old
210lbs
16" Arms
17.5" neck
36" Waist
46" Chest

I have on hand test-400 blend, and was going to do 2ml/week for 10 weeks (800mg test), and a 4 week dbol kickstart (40mg day)

 

[You mad Bro]

If it would be your first cycle do not use for a cutting cycle, you would be much more receptive if you save it for your bulking cycle, and besides test and dbol is useless for cutting. Drop down to 10% bodyfat then consider doing a bulk cycle.

Edit: Good progress can see you've put on a fair bit of Lean body mass, but it's time to get rids of them boobs and love handles now bro. aha

 

[skinnynowbig]

so i should get down to atleast 10/12% first....what would that be with my size, im at 15st now....so about 13 1/2 stone?

then do the bulk cycle.

i have epedrine here aswell,only 50x 30mg, but was gonna do a eca stack.

Btw, i did a 6 week dbol course with pct and kept all gains. but not jabbed before yet.

what else i was thinking, is why not run the 10 week test/dbol cycle....but on a high protein, 2500 calorie intake....that would add muscle mass, and cut fat at the same time yes.

i know its pretty much impossible to cut bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time naturally....but on roids is possible.

 

[You mad Bro]

I don't know without knowing what your'e currently at, get yourself some accumeasure bodyfat calipers, they're cheap and you can get them off amazon I think. You can also work out how much LBM you have aswel which is useful for when you're cutting. You look around 20% so to get to 10% you need to lose 21 lbs, bang on what you said aha, but that's a guess.

Drop the aspirin you don't need it, I did the EC stack when I cut, worked pretty well. What's your diet going to be to cut?

 

[Ocdude]

Clearly you did a cycle to make that much progress in a year! Nice gains bro, to bad you didn't do it the right way with Test as a base... but I'll leave that alone at this point.

LOL I have no clue how to calculate for BF loss in stone! You're likely not too far off from a good starting point for a 12 week cycle. Get in a good 4-6 months of cutting now and drop a stone and a few pebbles ;P before you do it though. Your gains will be much more effective and you can focus on JUST bulking up.
Something to consider is that with your new size, 2500 calories isn't going to work for bulking anymore. You'll need to bump that 3500+.

 

[rowdybrad]

For best results you'd want low bodyfat. You can still get results with 18 percent but have more risk of sides.

I would go with Pinnacle Test and Anavar, 500mg a week and 50mg daily. I was able to drop 20 pounds of weight and gained 10 pounds of muscle with same cycle. Just eat near maintenance or a little over, but I recommend having help from 3J.

 

[You mad Bro]

He can lose what he needs to do in just 2 months, you're gonna put him off cutting by saying 4-6 months!

 

[skinnynowbig]

You think i can cut 20lbs in 2 months, without losing too much lean muscle mass on an EC stack?

i was going to cut on skimmed milk and oats....2500 cals a day

good or not? i know NOTHING about cutting!

 

[China_Wall]

You think i can cut 20lbs in 2 months, without losing too much lean muscle mass on an EC stack?

i was going to cut on skimmed milk and oats....2500 cals a day

good or not? i know NOTHING about cutting!

losing only 20lbs will NOT get u to 10% bf as u'll be losing muscle along with the fat... u might be able to get down to 15% in 2-3 months on a strict diet along with regular training and 3-5 cardio sessions following workouts every week... baby steps bro

doing a cycle at 15%bf is fine... not many people know shit about bf%.. it's so funny on here when people start saying shit like they are 7 or 8% bf hahahaha... what a crock... they got know idea how hard it would be to carry such little bf% around on a daily basis... even most PRO bodybuilders on 12-15%bf off season and have abs/striations still visible...

keep up the good work, lean down a bit and then go hard on a test cycle for 15 wks

cheers

 

[You mad Bro]

losing only 20lbs will NOT get u to 10% bf as u'll be losing muscle along with the fat... u might be able to get down to 15% in 2-3 months on a strict diet along with regular training and 3-5 cardio sessions following workouts every week... baby steps bro

doing a cycle at 15%bf is fine... not many people know shit about bf%.. it's so funny on here when people start saying shit like they are 7 or 8% bf hahahaha... what a crock... they got know idea how hard it would be to carry such little bf% around on a daily basis... even most PRO bodybuilders on 12-15%bf off season and have abs/striations still visible...

keep up the good work, lean down a bit and then go hard on a test cycle for 15 wks

cheers

You clearly don't know what you're talking about, I'm living proof that you can lose 20lbs in 2 months and keep all LBM I even worked out my LBM before my cut and after my cut so I know I kept all my LBM, losing 3-4lbs every week is average when cutting.

You do not need cardio to lose weight if diet is correct, cardio has little impact you might burn an extra 300 kcals a day but if he's in a 500kcal deficit he won't even need the cardio and he'll be taking EC aswel. If you even knew what you was talking about you would of recommended HIIT cardio it's far more effective for weight loss and more muscle sparing than hours on a tredmill 3/5 times a week.

Please just go.

 

[rowdybrad]

If you can lose 4 pounds a week with no changes to lbm then you are amazing. Don't need to be disrespectful to China Wall though.

 

[You mad Bro]

I'm not being disrespectful. Fat loss is easy when you're above 20% bf, it's only becomes harder at 12% and then getting into single digits is even harder. I followed a strict keto diet for my weight loss, with an EC stack it's why I was successful, I'm not amazing dieting isn't hard at all, and being in ketosis is more muscle sparing than other diets because it has one primary source of energy "fat" where as glucolysis on a kcal deficit would somewhat increase the chance of catabolism.

 

[Detour5]

China didn't say what kind of cardio, why are you assuming he means hours on a treadmill? He wasn't specific at all. He's a very much respected contributor to the boards from what I've seen, and us knowledgable about competition dieting and fat stripping, I think you need to calm yourself down!

I'm sure you're amazing brah, everyone can contribute so, you know... Chill a bit

You clearly don't know what you're talking about, I'm living proof that you can lose 20lbs in 2 months and keep all LBM I even worked out my LBM before my cut and after my cut so I know I kept all my LBM, losing 3-4lbs every week is average when cutting.

You do not need cardio to lose weight if diet is correct, cardio has little impact you might burn an extra 300 kcals a day but if he's in a 500kcal deficit he won't even need the cardio and he'll be taking EC aswel. If you even knew what you was talking about you would of recommended HIIT cardio it's far more effective for weight loss and more muscle sparing than hours on a tredmill 3/5 times a week.

Please just go.

 

[You mad Bro]

He can't be that knowledgeable he posted on another thread saying clen is catabolic, maybe I did rage a bit, but when I say how long it can take him to lose weight and he dives in here saying not possible he'll go catabolic of course I'm going to get angry. I used to think If I miss a meal I'd go catabolic, probally why I gained so much fat while bulking. Now I know that it's possible to go 16 hours without eating and still be in an anti-catabolic state.

I am amazing come at me bro.

 

[DaHurt]

Def drop some body fat before cycling (you're 20+ % IMO)...you will be much happier if you start your first cycle lean(er).

You don't need 800mg of test per week for your first cycle...I would do 400mg/wk, get all the gains you can off of lower doses before moving up!

 

[Detour5]

He can't be that knowledgeable he posted on another thread saying clen is catabolic, maybe I did rage a bit, but when I say how long it can take him to lose weight and he dives in here saying not possible he'll go catabolic of course I'm going to get angry. I used to think If I miss a meal I'd go catabolic, probally why I gained so much fat while bulking. Now I know that it's possible to go 16 hours without eating and still be in an anti-catabolic state.

I am amazing come at me bro.

That's amazing for you! How much you weigh? I'd guess the more you weigh ( mass monster) the more you'd have to be careful to hang onto muscle while getting/staying lean. It's not natural for a body to weigh so much, so a slow cut is better for an amount of mass past your genetic potential. I'd love to come at you but I'm female

 

[You mad Bro]

That's amazing for you! How much you weigh? I'd guess the more you weigh ( mass monster) the more you'd have to be careful to hang onto muscle while getting/staying lean. It's not natural for a body to weigh so much, so a slow cut is better for an amount of mass past your genetic potential. I'd love to come at you but I'm female

About 185lb I think, I suppose you're right. I'll come you then bro. aha

 

[Talos]

Are you seriously 210 in the after pic..?

take into consideration height and bodyfat, and yea he looks accurate for 210

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I would estimate that your around 16-18%bf right now, which isn't too bad, but i would recommend hitting 10-12% before starting a bulk cycle with test. That doesn't mean you have to lose 20lbs, 15 makes more sense, if you do decide to lose 20 you'll get into the single digits, provided its pure fat.

If your new to cutting, I would recommend keeping it natural, its much simpler. The basics would be a 500 calorie deficit, slowly working towards a 1000 calorie deficit, which would mean 2 pounds of fat loss per week. So if you decide to lose 20 pounds, it can be done in 10 weeks, but more realistically 15 weeks will do it.

In terms of diet for cutting, keep your protein intake high, lower your carbs gradually (if you lower them too soon you'll end up with serious cravings!) and stick to healthy fats (nuts, salmon, etc). The main rule is low calories, for your build we're talking 2200-2700 calorie range (the lower end of this for 2 pounds of fat loss per week) if you workout 3-5 x per week.
You can lose the weight through diet and lifting but cardio will get you their much quicker, but this depends on your timescale.

As for your weight at the end of the cut, from 210 you will drop to around 180, which is the high 12 stone range. This is because you will lose some lbm along with the fat, most of this will be water. Do not worry at all about muscle loss! Your body has a habit of using muscle as a last resort for energy, if your 16% bodyfat you have nothing to worry about (plenty of fat for your body to use). Only those who are in the low single digits need to be concerned about this.