First timer here, looking any advice, starting 2nd cycle.

[Tim23]

If you want to start PCT sooner, the best thing you could do is stop now and run PCT three weeks after your last injection of test. Keep taking your AI and hCG though up u til PCT starts. Then the clock will start ticking and before you know it you can start a fresh new cycle and get it right this time.

Choosing to come off bow would be a smart choice.

If I come off now, I'll feel like Ive wasted these past 8 weeks. So I'll stick to the original plan. 4 more weeks, using the Test Blend, the AI and the HCG. Then 3 weeks after last injection of Test, start PCT.

And Thanks again. I cant say that enough.

 

[Hypnotix]

This is an awesome thread, seriously! I'm glad you're taking the all the advice and being so grateful.

I'm sorry your "friend" screwed you.. I have some buddies who are being fucked by their "friend/dealer" and I've had to straighten that out a bit. Which I don't even know if they're going to listen to me about it because I've done 0 cycles, and the "friend" has done plenty... meaning he looks better to a noob even if he didn't perform them safely. Unfortunate but, they'll find out the hard way.

If you think about it.. How great do you feel on a cycle of Test, or other compounds that make you big, ripped, swole, etc? You feel great! Amazing. Best you've ever felt maybe.

Now take those substances away after a 12, 16, or 20 week cycle and now, without a good pct or even no e2 management during cycle, you could be fucked afterward. (Note: even with this, you can still be fucked) And you'll feel like dogshit for a while, or maybe even forever. Guess who you're going to go back to and buy more Feel Good Muscle Juice© from? That's right.. That asshole who stripped you of your manhood.

If you hadn't thought outside the box and come here to question your "friend's" motives.. you could have entered this vicious cycle of dirty cycling. Similar to a crack dealer in a way.. just not as quick of a turnaround lol


Again, very glad you're listening to Mega and being such a open minded individual to everyone else's criticism. I hope the best for your recovery.

 

[tbonexl]

In a way Tim, the past 8 weeks have been a waste. Your cycle layout was bad and so was your diet. I'm not bashing you at all but your beating a dead horse. Time to cut your losses and learn from this experience. I've said from day one to stop the gear. You said it yourself that your bloodwork is all fucked up. This is you. Its your body and your health. Do you really think 3 more weeks is going to make that much of a difference? It's a lil too late to turn it around. Maybe if you were on week 3.

 

[Megatron28]

Think about it this way. The sooner you stop this bad cycle, the sooner you can put it behind you and start a new good cycle.

Stopping now really is the smart choice. The last 8 weeks are a "sunk cost".

 

[Tim23]

I hear what you guys are saying, but I've made some decent gains and continue to. Ive gained over an inch around my arms, my chest and legs have increase by almost 2 inches. You guys are unable to tell, since you havent seen what I looked like when I started. Plus Im off everything besides the test, so Im headed in the right path.

 

[Tim23]

In a way Tim, the past 8 weeks have been a waste. Your cycle layout was bad and so was your diet. I'm not bashing you at all but your beating a dead horse. Time to cut your losses and learn from this experience. I've said from day one to stop the gear. You said it yourself that your bloodwork is all fucked up. This is you. Its your body and your health. Do you really think 3 more weeks is going to make that much of a difference? It's a lil too late to turn it around. Maybe if you were on week 3.

Now that I know a little more, I agree that my cycle layout was very bad, but I dont understand why you would say my diet was bad. Im no nutritionist, but my diet was pretty damn healthy. Ive eaten like this before in the past and I've dropped over 40 pounds over 3 months with no exorcise at all. Just by eating right. Im not over weight now because of the diet I've been on for the past 8 weeks, but because of all the drinking I did before I started this. Id get drunk at least 3 times per week. Some weeks would be daily. As long as I dont drink, my body will maintain its weight no matter how bad I eat. Alcohol is what makes me put weight on and fast.

And Im not a dead horse quite yet... I would have been if I went the full 20 weeks I was planning on going. Im a small horse with high estrogen and an irritated liver, that Im in the process of patching up right now.

And I dont know too much about all this.... but I think that slowly coming off this would be better then just dropping everything all at once. I was on 1000mg of Test per week and all that other crap... so I've dropped all that and cut my test in half. This alone is a pretty big change for my body. Im thinking 4 weeks at the much lower test, with the AI to slowly bring my estrogen levels back down and the HCG will be good for me for the next 4 weeks, and then go completely off and start PCT.

 

[Tim23]

Since my estrogen is so high... wouldnt me cutting out the Test completely screw me all up? My Test levels would drop to nothing, but all that estrogen is still there. It wouldnt be better for me to try and bring the estrogen down some before ditching all the Test?

I want to do whats best for my body, but based on whats happened so far (before I came here), I'd like to have a complete understanding of why Im doing it first. I would like for it to make sense to me.

And this is the first time Ive ever done anything like this. Im a huge skeptic, always asking questions, super curious about how everything works and usually dont believe shit anyone says unless I can verify it. I jumped into this like a dumb ass, without having a full understanding of it first. I trusted someone that I really thought knew what they were doing. My supplier I've known for years. He's been a friend of my family for a while now. It just turns out the he's not like me. He's more concerned about his appearance, then he is his health. The guy has been on Test for 2 years straight now. I think he's only did PCT maybe twice in the past 4 years, and neither one of those 2 times have been in the past 2 years. He's never had blood work done once, and kinda chuckled at me when I brought up getting blood work done. Even when giving the injections, he'd laugh when I pulled out my alcohol pads. I guess in his mind, alcohol pads are for pussies. The more things like that I saw, the less confidence I had in the guy, which made me come here for advice.

So a long story short... I want to correct things the best way I can, but telling me to jump completely off, just doesnt sound right. I look at it like running 10 miles on the tread mill.... you dont just jump off, you take 5-10 min of walking to cool down a little before you jump off. So wouldnt 4 weeks of lower test, AI and HCG be better then pumping completely off with everything so high?

 

[Megatron28]

Your "walk down" period begins when you stop injecting. You do not need o "ramp down" your doages. The exogenous test built up in your system gets used up. As your TT goes down, so does your estradiol. Just as testosterone has a half life, so does estradiol. New estradiol keeps replacing the old estradiol; unless you use an aromatase inhibitor.

So if you stopped today, your TT would slowly come down. You would continue to take your AI which means your estradiol will come down quickly. You would be taking hCG to try and get your testicles "primed". And then you would begin PCT to try and fire your HPTA up again.

 

[tbonexl]

If u stop pinning now your technically not stopping everything like that. The test will take 3 weeks to drop down. So it will be gradual. U start taking your ai up to pct and that will bring your e2 levels down by the time u pct. Might as well blast hcg before pct. Your body isn't going to crash over night if u stop now. Really nobody tapers down that I know of. That's old school.

 

[Megatron28]

I think if you give this a read it will give you a better understand of how the HPTA works. Just remember that it is constantly seeking homeostasis. While on cycle, we obviously use certain medications to "hack" the processes.

Chapter 253 ? THE TESTIS AND MALE SEXUAL FUNCTION

 

[Tim23]

Your "walk down" period begins when you stop injecting. You do not need o "ramp down" your doages. The exogenous test built up in your system gets used up. As your TT goes down, so does your estradiol. Just as testosterone has a half life, so does estradiol. New estradiol keeps replacing the old estradiol; unless you use an aromatase inhibitor.

So if you stopped today, your TT would slowly come down. You would continue to take your AI which means your estradiol will come down quickly. You would be taking hCG to try and get your testicles "primed". And then you would begin PCT to try and fire your HPTA up again.

Makes sense.... but let me get one more week in.

 

[Tim23]

I think if you give this a read it will give you a better understand of how the HPTA works. Just remember that it is constantly seeking homeostasis. While on cycle, we obviously use certain medications to "hack" the processes.

Chapter 253 ? THE TESTIS AND MALE SEXUAL FUNCTION

I read a short article on HTPA, but it didnt go into very much detail. It just scratched the surface. I'll give that a read. Thanks.

 

[Tim23]

I think if you give this a read it will give you a better understand of how the HPTA works. Just remember that it is constantly seeking homeostasis. While on cycle, we obviously use certain medications to "hack" the processes.

Chapter 253 ? THE TESTIS AND MALE SEXUAL FUNCTION

That link is great. Anymore pages out of that book youd recommend that I read? I started going through them page by page, but there are quite a bit. I wasnt able to find a table of contents.

 

[Megatron28]

Here is a link to the table of contents. Just read anything that looks interesting.

Cecil medicine

 

[Tim23]

So here's what I have sitting around now. How should I pair this stuff up for future cycles?

Test Blend 500 - 1 Vial
Test Blend 400 - 2 vials
Tren Acetate - 3 and 1/4 Vials
Tren Enanthate - 1 and 1/4 vials
Dianabol - 1 vial
Equipoise - 2 vials
Anadrol Oral - 70 Pills (50mg)
Winstrol Orals - 200 Pills (10mg)
Anavar Orals - 200 Pills (10mg)


Any safe recommendations would be appreciated. I plan to have my BF % down before taking any as well. I just really dont want any of these going to waste. Spent too much damn money on it all.

 

[Tim23]

Im also trying to get this dick head to trade out the Test Blends for enanthates, as well as the Tren acetate, with enanthate. Im not trying to pin eod.

 

[Megatron28]

So here's what I have sitting around now. How should I pair this stuff up for future cycles?

Test Blend 500 - 1 Vial
Test Blend 400 - 2 vials
Tren Acetate - 3 and 1/4 Vials
Tren Enanthate - 1 and 1/4 vials
Dianabol - 1 vial
Equipoise - 2 vials
Anadrol Oral - 70 Pills (50mg)
Winstrol Orals - 200 Pills (10mg)
Anavar Orals - 200 Pills (10mg)


Any safe recommendations would be appreciated. I plan to have my BF % down before taking any as well. I just really dont want any of these going to waste. Spent too much damn money on it all.

Return it to your buddy or resell it to a friend. Maybe he will recharge you a restocking fee.

You next cycle should be test E or C. You shouldn't use that stuff next time.

 

[Tim23]

Return it to your buddy or resell it to a friend. Maybe he will recharge you a restocking fee.

You next cycle should be test E or C. You shouldn't use that stuff next time.

What about the cycle after next?

 

[Tim23]

If I cant take it, then I wouldnt resell it to a friend. Most of my friends are overweight, beer drinking, BBQing, lazy dudes.

 

[Megatron28]

Save it for later then. You may be able to use it in the next couple of years. Store it in a dry, dark, climate controlled place away from kids. A safe deposit box is a good place. Or some place in your house that you can lock up.