Half Truth

[crazyfmike]

A half truth is when your GF says " I didn't screw him". No she only gave him a BJ.

A half truth is good HGH giving a Reference Interval of 17.9. 10iu's of HGH giving a Reference Interval 17.9 is HALF: 50% HGH.

Here is just another way to bring truth to this: These HGH producers are going to laughing their asses off that stupid people buy half HGH.

If this weak HGH takes off then what is acceptable farther down the road? 50% of this 50%?

 

[josh30013]

A half truth is when your GF says " I didn't screw him". No she only gave him a BJ.

A half truth is good HGH giving a Reference Interval of 17.9. 10iu's of HGH giving a Reference Interval 17.9 is HALF: 50% HGH.

Here is just another way to bring truth to this: These HGH producers are going to laughing their asses off that stupid people buy half HGH.

If this weak HGH takes off then what is acceptable farther down the road? 50% of this 50%?

X2! More Rep! And i love the truth! Good statement....

 

[jadakiss]

My brother mike posting again I'll be sick if u ever stop postin, love ur threads and u keep shit 100 !

 

[Mike Arnold]

A half truth is when your GF says " I didn't screw him". No she only gave him a BJ.

A half truth is good HGH giving a Reference Interval of 17.9. 10iu's of HGH giving a Reference Interval 17.9 is HALF: 50% HGH.

Here is just another way to bring truth to this: These HGH producers are going to laughing their asses off that stupid people buy half HGH.

If this weak HGH takes off then what is acceptable farther down the road? 50% of this 50%?

At least we were honest, brother. No "half-truths"...we gave you the real test results. It is what it is. The last batch we had was very good...this one not as good.

Did you say "IF" it takes off? Brother, the majority of GH (which has already taken off long ago) is well below 17.9, if not fake completely.

Sometimes honestly gets you bashed. How many brands of GH have been tested recently and were shown to be completely fake,YET we see just a few posts go up about it all those brands. However, when we post our results and show that it is not fake (albeit lower dosed than pharm-grade)...if gets special threads all about how bad it is. Hmmm???? Is there an axe to grind, perhaps? All we can say is no one is forcing you to buy it...we came straight out and gave you all the important facts, so you could make your own decisions.

 

[UserAt204]

CrazyM and Mike both have very valid points.

A lot of people have reported excellent results from bunk, but eventually I think they start to realize something is not right.

MIKE A, what's up with the factories at this point? Without being to much out in the open, there can only be a certain number, and all off it has to be coming from these couple, I'm just wondering why they can't seem to remain consistent?

Most every "brand name product I've seen recently was mostly 100% bunk. The generics on the other hand have been testing well. I will give you credit for standing up for your guy and what you believe in, but that goes for CrazyM also.

There is just a lot of skepticism right now and rightfully so.

 

[Spongy]

i also think part of the issues is we are dealing with a weak strain of E. Coli (yes, much HGH comes from E. Coli for those of you that didn't know).

 

[mr.spoon]

interesting..mike in the other thread u said the march batch wad bad .. does this go for test too ? when i said that my gear seemed underdosed? there is so many ppl out there complaining about the same thing, do you kno how many guys have pm me askin about pinnacle? cause they not feelin z test at all alot, and on another thread u argued that the hgh was legit but it is still underdosed the truth is the shit isnt even that cheap and you should get what u pay for,one reason why i dont mess wit hgh yet,is because most shit out there is bunk or underdosed im just sittin waitin on something good to come.

 

[Weights]

good shit

 

[heavyiron]

The GH batch that was bad was from December to early January. The were blue box kits. Several serum tests proved them negative for any GH. They were replaced in January.

I know Z is getting beaten down for the latest serum test and that's fine but please remember it was shipped directly from China not from Z. Anyway, please keep in mind serum tests are a crude way to verify GH and even pharm GH has a wide range of results. Fluctuations are reported in the literature.

 

[mr.spoon]

good point heavy, but z is representing the product it doesnt matter where its shipped from and if you got a problem or concern with the product u gotta deal w z not some random person from china.

 

[josh30013]

interesting..mike in the other thread u said the march batch wad bad .. does this go for test too ? when i said that my gear seemed underdosed? there is so many ppl out there complaining about the same thing, do you kno how many guys have pm me askin about pinnacle? cause they not feelin z test at all alot, and on another thread u argued that the hgh was legit but it is still underdosed the truth is the shit isnt even that cheap and you should get what u pay for,one reason why i dont mess wit hgh yet,is because most shit out there is bunk or underdosed im just sittin waitin on something good to come.

The HGH has nothing to do with any of his other products.... his test and other AAS are 100.... quality HGH is a whole nother story.

 

[heavyiron]

good point heavy, but z is representing the product it doesnt matter where its shipped from and if you got a problem or concern with the product u gotta deal w z not some random person from china.

I totally agree. We are looking to see some improvements very soon and testing will continue brother.

 

[builtbeast]

Can we get it for half off since it contains half the HGH?

 

[TheMinister]

You gotta go there and meet these suppliers in China. Then you bulk purchase, and randomly batch test. Only when it comes back good, you pay. I mean if you going to buy coke from the Columbians, you'd test quality first.

If you visited with heavyiron, and Arnold, they'd wet their pants

 

[ForeverYoung]

The labs wouldn't be as big of a deal if what he was asking for it were also reasonable. From what I have seen, however, that is nowhere near the case. You're absolutely right though, much better than many of the tests I have personally been seeing around.

 

[crazyfmike]

I could give a huge break and a possible 25 could come from sub Q and not waiting 3 hrs

But even 25 is not acceptable.

Once we as a community give in to anything less than correctly dosed GH we set a standard that will only be chipped away until it's all bad and will never bounce back.

Now is NOT the time to give in guys, hold tight and demand this is corrected!

 

[builtbeast]

I could give a huge break and a possible 25 could come from sub Q and not waiting 3 hrs

But even 25 is not acceptable.

Once we as a community give in to anything less than correctly dosed GH we set a standard that will only be chipped away until it's all bad and will never bounce back.

Now is NOT the time to give in guys, hold tight and demand this is corrected!

Exactly. Why keep settling for less and less and then be appreciative on top of it. Reminds me of the government in a sorts. Let's sell them total crap so when we offer 50% crap they'll be happy and gladly accept it.

 

[ForeverYoung]

Sounds like people need to find new or better HGH sources. This is not a problem that everyone out there has to deal with. But you guys are right about accepting half. Depends on the prices that you are getting it for I suppose. A guy I know has blues that show similar results but they are a fraction of the cost. And a very good deal compared to what most people want for their blues. For the price I do not have much of an issue because I am getting what I am paying for. It has been that way from the start.

I think everyone has just been getting way too careless with where they go for HGH not really knowing what it was doing for them while on it. This craze with testing for IGF levels is a more recent thing. The IGF tests, not as accurate with many many variables at play. The serum level tests, more accurate but still variables. It has been a problem for a long time, people were just not so aware of the problem with their given sources until recently.

 

[Zeek]

You will find that if a certain protocol is adhered to on the testing that the results are actually very much in line from individual to individual either with IGF-1 or GH serum testing.

I now support GH serum testing instead of IGF testing because the masses are doing this test and much more results using this test are available out there now.

For those that are not familiar with the testing protocol being used it is as follows

Inject 10iu of HGH IM and 2-3 hours later have the blood drawn for the GH serum test. It costs about 50 bucks for this test and can be purchased on saveonlabs.com or privatemdlabs.com . You basically order and pay for the test online and shorty after that you will have an order in your email that you take with you to a local lab corp location near your home, they draw the blood and send you on your way and within a few days you have the results in your email box.

Anyone using HGH that does not invest the $50 on testing is doing not only themselves a disservice but the community as a whole.

 

[ForeverYoung]

I am very familiar with Gh testing protocols, but good info for people who are not. The variables I was referring to are not variables in the way the test is taken, but in the body, nutrition, and background of the users. IGF testing especially, has shown to include more variables that could affect levels.

The variation is not always massive, although in some cases with IGF it can be. With the serum test it helps to eliminate some however it does still exist. My main point was this problem with HGH not being as pure is nothing new, but it has not always been so widely monitored or reported on. And likewise this has not been an issue with a number of sources of HGH that I can think of off the top of my head, who have consistently had their stuff check out and who do their own testing very effectively to the benefit of the end user.

You will find that if a certain protocol is adhered to on the testing that the results are actually very much in line from individual to individual either with IGF-1 or GH serum testing.

I now support GH serum testing instead of IGF testing because the masses are doing this test and much more results using this test are available out there now.

For those that are not familiar with the testing protocol being used it is as follows

Inject 10iu of HGH IM and 2-3 hours later have the blood drawn for the GH serum test. It costs about 50 bucks for this test and can be purchased on saveonlabs.com or privatemdlabs.com . You basically order and pay for the test online and shorty after that you will have an order in your email that you take with you to a local lab corp location near your home, they draw the blood and send you on your way and within a few days you have the results in your email box.

Anyone using HGH that does not invest the $50 on testing is doing not only themselves a disservice but the community as a whole.