I wish I knew what I was talking about

[RA64]

^^Agree

Good genetics and food will take you a long way, but there comes a point when you need a boost, and AAS is the boost to get you to the next level.

 

[cyto33]

I really don't want to see this turn into a flame on any one.

in todays world food is so fake. the foods we eat are going to one day kill us if it keeps on going the way it is. organic food is getting out of hand. genetically modified organics is what its called now. right down to the meats we are eating.
we pay all this money out on organic foods and its no better then the food the dogs eating.

Rj's point is sound. the shit we get at the supplement store for the post part is crap. but it give us the extra that we didn't get from the food.

and the gear that we use enhances the the bodies natural furnace of nutrition conversion.

it all works together gear food rest training and the best part is the sharing of ideas on this board. this is a hell of a topic and we need this on here.
ever since i watched the show call FOOD INC. its changed my views on what I'm eating.

we need more imput on this topic lets hear some more.

 

[RJ]

So much as he want to be right he not. The science of building muscle is pretty easy. Food rest and training are a must but you need to add amino acids if you wish to speed up recovery and maximize growth. If even if people were eating an un-pasturized diet they would still need to supplement. the truth is most of the food we consume is void of vitamins and minerals. Factory farmed chicken and beef has the omega fatty acids out of balance because they are grain fed.

As I'm sure you really believed what you wrote at the time I would ask that you refrain from post in blatant misinformation.

Seriously? Blatant misinformation? You're unbelievable dude. Honestly DPR you can't think I am that stupid. I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's ass telling them they can gain 40lbs of muscle in a 12 week cycle.

Listen everyone, if anyone is dumb enough to think that I ever meant that you can become a monster with only food rest and sleep then they should have there brain removed. Of course at some point you are going to need to supplement with juice. My point was wasting thousands of dollars on shit at GNC or wherever is for the most part useless. That wasn't even the point of this thread.

I'm not an idiot. The point of this thread was to try and help, in yes, a mildly comical way, that these are the three main components you need to follow to grow in ANY situation.

You can eat all the fucking Aminos you want... if you don't do these three things you won't grow.

You can inject 2000000000g of Uncle Z's juice in your ass every week... if you don't do these three things you won't grow.

You act like the food we eat does nothing for you. C'mon man.

nice change of my thread title btw, very Admin-like. the least you could have done was hit the spell check button.

 

[cyto33]

I would like to see the title of this thread back to what it was. (sorry it was changed RJ)
this is a good disscusion like i have said.

those are the 3 main ingredients for growth, i agree. next is adding in the tools to make them work to the fullest. ie. Protien gear aminos all increased higher then the bodies natural output.

nobody will grow alone on gear, not the way they want to.

but like rj states GNC products are not all the tools.

i see others looking at this thread. lets get your insight. what do you guys think?
keep it friendly or theres no point in posting.

 

[TonySuicideKing]

do you want to inject 20000000000g of z's shit in my ass? LOL!!!!!!

I agree with ya RJ dont worry your big ol tony the tiger is here for your comfort.

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

I am of the personal opinion that supplements are named accordingly. People often forget that the definition of supplement is "something that completes or makes an addition". They don't replace anything but they can fill in the gaps. I am sure that 99.9% of AAS users are utilizing some form of supplements, but I think RJ's point was to keep perspective. Protein, creatine, BCAA's, multivitamins, glutamine... all that stuff is fine. They are also dirt cheap. My question is why take some expensive designer NO Explode and 50 million other products which do jack shit when you are already on something like TREN. As said above, GNC is the devil. Where is the cost/benefit? $700 a month on supps could easily be turned into $100 more of gear and $600 of food. This is the core point about supplementation. It is the finishing brush strokes, not the whole picture.

 

[RJ]

I am of the personal opinion that supplements are named accordingly. People often forget that the definition of supplement is "something that completes or makes an addition". They don't replace anything but they can fill in the gaps. I am sure that 99.9% of AAS users are utilizing some form of supplements, but I think RJ's point was to keep perspective. Protein, creatine, BCAA's, multivitamins, glutamine... all that stuff is fine. They are also dirt cheap. My question is why take some expensive designer NO Explode and 50 million other products which do jack shit when you are already on something like TREN. As said above, GNC is the devil. Where is the cost/benefit? $700 a month on supps could easily be turned into $100 more of gear and $600 of food. This is the core point about supplementation. It is the finishing brush strokes, not the whole picture.

eloquently put SL.

I agree that this could turn into a very good, and more importantly helpful thread.

Hope it stays on track... and doesn't change names 4 or 5 more times. That's just heartbreaking.

 

[cyto33]

very true SL84

i do limit the amount i personaly spend on supps.
what i have at home right now for supps is.
protien mix
BCAA
1MR
and B12 injectable

thats it, the rest is food real food.
each time before a cycle i make a stock up on lean meats and i bag a freeze veggies
i have yams brown rice and whole grain pasta.

i buy it all Bulk to keep the cost down. i stock a 10 cubic foot freezer and go to town.

i dont spend money on all this shit that GNC sells its all marketing scams.

i will have about 2500 bucks worth of good foods on hand and about 800 buck in gear for the cycle. and maybe 500 worth of protien powder.

i do nothing with out having a plan.

 

[Teutonic]

I agree with cyto..let s keep it going...
We all agree to what the 3 main ingredients are ..and also that AAS enhance the anabolics of it all..and that genetics come into play..
And with genetics I mean mean mental genetics as well..as discipline to adhere to the things that will work best to make you grow or even maintain ,at my age..is paramount. Am I stating the obvious

 

[cyto33]

Teutonic sl84 and any one else.

Prior to every running gear are you gulity of using the suppliments over food.

I can say i'm gulity of it. I was drawn into the world of take this and you will be huge. I see a dude in a mag slaming a handful of vitamins and a caption that says " you too can have the moster released" oh hell i had to run out an d buy that shit. "scammed"
anyone that syas they have never been scammed is full of shit caus ethe minute you hand your credits over to these dudes you just got bent over.

Real food and gear made that guy what he is. Not supps.

 

[TonySuicideKing]

the only supplements i ever took to help me out, was protein and energy mixes. i think i took a pill supplement once, to see what all the hype was about. i then waited all the way up till now to run on them.

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

Teutonic sl84 and any one else.

Prior to every running gear are you gulity of using the suppliments over food.

I can say i'm gulity of it. I was drawn into the world of take this and you will be huge. I see a dude in a mag slaming a handful of vitamins and a caption that says " you too can have the moster released" oh hell i had to run out an d buy that shit. "scammed"
anyone that syas they have never been scammed is full of shit caus ethe minute you hand your credits over to these dudes you just got bent over.

Real food and gear made that guy what he is. Not supps.

My two biggest learning curves where how to eat big and how to train. I have the metabolism of a hummingbird on meth. In hs I tried weight gainers and other products, but I allowed those to replace meals instead of supplement. So I would just end up with a big ass shake I farted out but no real food. The total caloric intake didn't go up. FAIL. Over the course of learning, shakes went up and up and now down to the point of I only use one PWO and it is WITH a meal. So I was victim of eating small. I never really bought into supplement massive hype. I knew I was a little guy and some magical creatine wouldn't stop me being a little guy. I definitely haven't ever been deluded about genetics. 4 billion steaks and some excess testosterone as made me a bigger guy.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

who needs food or supplements with a gram a week of tren?

just kidding.

I think it is very important to have all the pieces of the puzzle together. I understand the point behind wanting to get clean whole food. Unfortuneately im just not going to spend the money on it. or the supplements. there are the main ones i take that everybody should but i dont take anything else. vitamin, b complex, glut, bcaa, protein.......thats the extent of my supplements, if i want a pre workout boost i will just shoot some suspension fuck N O. you want some NO then just run some test, afterr all thats one of the main things it does.

I have to whole heartedly disagree and agree with this thread. On one side i totally understand the point of too many compounds in a cycle and that most people under eat before during and after a cycle. Most people use way more shit than they need to.

then on the other side i see people telling others not to cycle at 20% or they will get fat and grow titties. That is a crock of shit. my first cycle started at like 17% and i did nothing but lose on the waistline and add to the shoulders. One of the reasons for this is there are more androgen receptors in the upper body than the lower, so AAS users tend to grow disproportionately unless the work their legs correctly.

I think a lot of people forget how important genetics are. For instance I am an endomorph. I have some belly fat. not at the top of my abdomen but at the bottom. its not much but it looks like a fucking bicycle tire around my belt line. Now people are going to say welll your diet isnt right and all this other shit. Well here is the truth, I have to work and diet 2x as hard as most people to get that 6 pack. because i naturally hold fat there. My quads are the exact opposite, no fat there whatsoever and they are naturally big and strong. so its just not in the cards for me to have a six pack, because im not willing to eat chicken and rice for a year to get rid of it, im just not. so lets say i did get rid of it, lets say i worked my ass off and after a year it was finally gone. then what? I got to be miserable for the rest of my life to hold on to that six pack? for what? some dumb ass bitch at the beach, so she can like the way my abs look? fuck her if she dont like big guys then i will have her friend suck my dick.

now on the opposite end of the spectrum every one always says, i cant gain weight i cant get bigger, well i dont have that problem because im naturally big. i can gain weight just by eating more, and i can gain a ton by eating more and running some deca.

so yes i cycle, and yes i cycle with 15% BF and i dont beleive we should tell others that do not have naturally lowfat bodies not to cycle. there is a difference between someone who is fat and someone who is big and strong and tends to hold fat.

 

[cyto33]

Oak i think you and i hav ethe same problem. i like my food, it makes me happy. i have the tire also. it's a c*nt to get rid of it. my upper body if you measure a round my shoulders is 60"
legs are only 24" its genetics that causes this for me not the food.
but add the food+gear+tranning+rest= a happy son of a bitch.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I agree, I have seen your pics cyto and we have very similar body type. smooth round muscles. I will never have that hard vascular body type.

I am very athletic too thats why it suprises me that i cant get that look. my 7 year old son has the same tire, and my 50 year old dad has had it all his life. its def genetic.

I play basketball EOD for 2 hours at my gym. its a pick up game but its kind of hard core-after all i live right outside of detroit. I can run the floor with the little guys. I dominate the paint and can not be stopped, im just too big for them. I have wore my watch while playing and i burnj 2500 cals in that 2 hours. there is just not much more i can do besides eat chicken and brown rice. even if i did that i would lose size in my upper body before the tire left me. i would look like a ecto up top and an endo in the mid section. its just silly what i would have to do to get that look.

 

[Mrs P]

I agree with Oak, I think Genetics play a big role, for some people is harder to loose weight than others.
I've read some threads, were some of the women & men are asking for advise & looking to use something to help with fat loss, & a certain member has repeatedly plain out told them not to take the easy way out, & to stop being lazy & that there's no magic pill out there.
(There's definitely not a magic pill out there..Hey ! wouldn't that be great

But most of you didn't get the body you have today if it wasn't for AAS. I know you have to be disciplined and diet, training play a big role.
Let's not lie to ourselves, genetics, diet & training are a big part of the puzzle but AAS is like installing a turbo in a car to make it faster.
What's wrong with that ?

DPR has a good point... I agree with me

 

[cyto33]

LOL thats right i forgot about those nudes i posted on that other board. (i'm coverd up relax lol)

i was thinking the same thing MRS.P add the turbo (gear) and it will make you go faster so long as the air is good (air=food)

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Consensus dictates implementation of AAS should be utilized for genetic plateau breaking. However, lets be honest. After my shoulder injury I jumped back on the gear to make up for lost time. We only have so long on this planet, and only so many years we can strive to make aesthetics improvements. I absolutely used steroids as a shortcut. I am sure I am not the only one.

I would advocate steroid use as a shortcut for the well educated.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

I'm by no means saying food, rest and training aren't needed. Here is the problem More than 70% of the food consumed in the western hemisphere is void of "usable nutrience".
after "ultra pasturazation and pasturazation and is often unusable due to the oxidized enzims or lack of minerals needed to metabolize them.

This is one of the causes of obesity in the USA.

Now I'm no fan of GNC but the lake for nutrient dense food is one of reason for supplementation.

I will go as far as saying muscle growth is 85% diet.

 

[RJ]

unfortunately the point of this thread has been lost. This was never about gear. That's a totally different discussion.

This was about understanding the basic fundamentals of what it takes to build muscle and get stronger. Without all three you will never do this. No matter the gear, supps, whatever you add.

Of course I only wish I knew what I was talking about. Sorry... talkig.