Long term aas usage

Professor Knuckles

Professor Knuckles

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A question for all the guys who’ve been using gear long term. What’s the likelihood of developing a health problems because of your aas usage when your older (heart problems, high cholesterol, joint pain, liver damage, etc) I know the more you abuse it the higher the chance, but I’m asking about the average guy who uses the “normal” amount, as appose to the bb amount.

A lot of people really just focus on the pros when is comes to gear and only think about the cons when it‘s too late, I haven’t started my cycle yet cause I want to know the cons before I do. thanks
 
Ive been using for over 14yrs and yes you need to have your bloodwork done regularly but what ive experienced along with all the gymrats ive been lifting with that have used or never come off is you fuck with your test levels long enough your gonna have some issues with your penis. I know plenty of people who always have some sort of viagra,cialis or mixtures and have to take every day. I have even had problems getting wood but its the price you pay and i always do proper pct which is just important as a proper cycle. This is the TRUTH plain and simple. Jt
 
I take meds for both BP and cholesterol when I'm "On". I do not require either a few weeks post PCT.

Like you pointed out cholesterol will go to shit during most cycles, especially your HDL going down. If this goes on for too long without breaks you will harden and narrow your arteries. This is why off time is so important. high hemocrit is also a potential killer! You have to watch that one. Abuse strong orals and tren long enough and you will harm your liver and kidneys.

Before I really go any deeper I want to point out that you are asking the wrong group of people. The ones on here that have been using for many years are the lucky ones. I don't want to scare anyone but I've seen some very bad things happen to some good people that used too much and for too long. I've got buddies with all sorts of health problems, these were big strong guys that I would train and juice with. Some are dead and some are handicapped and some moved on with their lives in other directions before the damage was done. I'm the only one out of the original crew still going with the lifestyle.

I keep telling myself 1 or two more cycles for too long already. My intention is to go of anabolics all together and continue to maintain and look good through HGH and possibly testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), depending on how much i can retain with GH alone over the long haul. My natural test levels are in the mid 400's.

The difference I see which seems to really be the determining factor in longevity with this game is moderation, avoiding the very toxic compounds and once again, off time is the #1 factor.

For the record I did my first run, not sure it is worth calling a cycle over 27 years ago.

Also want to add that after x amount of cycles I don't really make progress anymore. I only get back to a certain size that i can hold on to injecting x amount milligrams of gear. When I stay off long enough I drop back down to the max my body can hold with my natural levels. I can get bigger and stronger if I chose too but that wouyld require higher dosages.

You can only be as big and strong as your natural hormones will allow you to be once you are off long enough. Most guys don't stay off long enough to really see what that ends up being. That doesn't mean you will be smaller than before you started juicing..chances are you will still end up much bigger and bigger =stronger too.
 
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I've only got about 9-10 years(maybe 8 can't remember) but I have used a lot during that time and know plenty of older guys who have used much longer.

Zeek has a lot of great points. It's all about having blood work done. I get blood work before, during a couple times and after. You need to see how it effects you. My liver and kidneys are always perfect but I don't use a lot of orals. Just this last year hematocrit and hemoglobin have become an issue so I donate blood regularly.

I've had an ultra sound, EKG for heart and many other test. My lipids are generally pretty good but I take a lot off OTC supps. This last time bp has been high and harder to control. It's great to hear others experience because a lot of times we don't think of all the possible problems but that will not replace blood work to see how each AAS effects you. After having a collection of bloods, I label them with compounds used, you can see what works for you and what to stay away from. For me, EQ is a no go from here out. I use to use it without issue but not any more and your body will change. Things you were ok with may not be after a while.

So as I get older, I will likely convert to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and gh. Probably some peptides and just increase my test/gh when I want to blast/cycle.

I am very healthy as far as I know. The older guys I know seem to be doing well. Some take script mess for bp or lipids but most often cholesterol is genetic. I know guys who never touched gear, eat healthy and exercise but have jacked up lipids but being on certain compounds will mess them up.

It's all about being smart and this is part of the reason I don't recommend young guys using. When I was 18-25, I was much more willing to do a lot of things I would never do now and would really push the limits with things. TBO even up to 30 and 34 I have pushed things but the closer I got to 30, I became more concerned with long term effects and my future if you can't get blood work done then you will never know what's happening. You need before, during, and after. I really stress getting bloods on one time for every 8-10 weeks on so in a 20 week cycle at least twice during. Sides won't tell you what's going on inside and it will help you find the best choices for you.
 
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Are there only certain substances that effect hematocrit and hemoglobin? Is this normally an issue that comes with age? I'm 34 now but haven't started cycling yet.
 
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It's hard to say. There are studies out there to support anything you want. The answer is I don't know. It's also been found that low T puts you at greater risk for heart disease as does high estro. Many studies now say it's much better for your health and cardiovascular system to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if it gets low.

Yes certain compounds effect hemo/hematocrit more than others.

Test will but usually it's dose dependent. EQ, ADROL I would say are the worst. Deca will but I only had an issue by staying on it 20 weeks.


If you plan to use AAS for any extended amount of time, it wouldn't hurt to be tested for blood clotting disorders. You either have them or you don't and you can have multiple types. These are they guys who generally have blood clots, heart attacks, strokes. They usually aren't noticed until 30's. I have hemochromatosis so I need to donate blood anyway. Mine is not real bad and I was always borderline growing up.
 
UserAt204 said:
It's hard to say. There are studies out there to support anything you want. The answer is I don't know. It's also been found that low T puts you at greater risk for heart disease as does high estro. Many studies now say it's much better for your health and cardiovascular system to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if it gets low.

Yes certain compounds effect hemo/hematocrit more than others.

Test will but usually it's dose dependent. EQ, ADROL I would say are the worst. Deca will but I only had an issue by staying on it 20 weeks.


If you plan to use AAS for any extended amount of time, it wouldn't hurt to be tested for blood clotting disorders. You either have them or you don't and you can have multiple types. These are they guys who generally have blood clots, heart attacks, strokes. They usually aren't noticed until 30's. I have hemochromatosis so I need to donate blood anyway. Mine is not real bad and I was always borderline growing up.
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yes sir low T lowers HDL.............
 
UserAt204 said:
It's also been found that low T puts you at greater risk for heart disease as does high estro. Many studies now say it's much better for your health and cardiovascular system to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if it gets low.
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THE-DET-OAK said:
yes sir low T lowers HDL.............
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UserAt204 and Det-Oak, when people talk about the negative health effects of low T, do you know how low we're talking?

Low end of normal? (e.g. 300 on a scale of 250-800)
Well below normal? (e.g. 100 on a scale of 250-800)
 
Good question.


I don't base low t off a scale. That's a big range to say this is normal. I think individually you have to look at what your T was at it's peak and how much it has declined from there but most people don't have those numbers.

Basically a guy could technically be in the 400 range and still have low t symptoms because it's low for him.

But when speaking of health problems related to it I guess you could look at numbers and say anything under low normal is where you start seeing problems.

This is really a tough question to answer, but hormones have a lot of effects on your body and various systems and from what I have seen it looks like high normal range is a healthy place to be. I bet the majority of guys here are not at the high normal while off.

Google the subject. There are a lot of articles and opinions.
 
Also I do know guys with fertility issues but most of them have either cycled 1-2 times or not at all.

I apparently don't but even test will suppress lh and fsh while on cycle. That will usually go back to normal off cycle and there are tons of guys having babies when on cycle so it all depends on the person.

I read an article recently about long term AAS users and these soca are saying that guys who have cycled for years, actually have healthier and younger testicles because they were shut down. They are saying that once the hpta is restored the testes work well and better because they were basically preserved. I don't know what to think about it and would love to hear more about it. The thing I do know is you can find anything you want to prove a point.
 
UserAt204 said:
Good question.


I don't base low t off a scale. That's a big range to say this is normal. I think individually you have to look at what your T was at it's peak and how much it has declined from there but most people don't have those numbers.

Basically a guy could technically be in the 400 range and still have low t symptoms because it's low for him.

But when speaking of health problems related to it I guess you could look at numbers and say anything under low normal is where you start seeing problems.

This is really a tough question to answer, but hormones have a lot of effects on your body and various systems and from what I have seen it looks like high normal range is a healthy place to be. I bet the majority of guys here are not at the high normal while off.

Google the subject. There are a lot of articles and opinions.
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i agree with User's statement about T levels and side efx,when my T levels are in the 400's i still have low test side effects,it feels like im not even on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and even in the mid 500's its not much better,but my endo says thats were he wants it to be,but myself,when its up around 700-800 i feel so much better,it depends,like User said on the person and his hormones,it differs from person to person,I have a friend that is 6'9 and weighs 300 lbs,not a AAS user but a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) guy,who only takes 50mg/week of test and his levels stays in the 600's and hes 54 years old....im 45 275 6'5 and his dose wouldnt even touch me like it does him,so that tells you it differs from person to person,ive just done 3 previous cycles of test only and now ive just started my 4th

the 1st 3 were test only and i didnt have any major problems,i got regular blood test,i have high BP and High cholesterol,which i take meds for,but they were never a problem,

now im on test/deca and had my first blood test done last friday and all my blood panels were ok,except for my HDL it was a little high,othee than that i was ok
 
its impossible to put a number on what level your low T will start to have negative consequences. as user said its better to go by symptoms, that you know, its quite a bit lower than before.

this is why pre bloods are so important, bloods when your T was good that way when you have symptoms, you know what low is for you.
 
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