MDS's Test P/Tren A Cycle

[leanbody]

100mg Test Prop, 50mg Tren Ace... went very well, pecs could potentially be my favorite place to shoot
Shoulders and Traps

Barbell Press 185/8, 195/8, 205/5
Side Raises 45's/12, 50's/12, 60's/10, 65's/7
Rear Cable Pulls 50/12, 60/12, 70/10
Smith Machine Upright Rows 115/12, 135/10, 155/8

DB Shrugs 100's/12, 100's/12, 100's/12 (hard pause at the top)

*felt very good during the workout, but once again I was a little tired before and after

*did the clean up cardio as well

Hey Buddy - nice workout -glad to see it's going so well. Did you ever try shrugs on the standing calf machine. they seem easier but totally isolates the traps - may want to try those to pre exhaust or finish off .
BTW- what length pin did u use on the pecs - 1"?

 

[TheMilkMan]

Hey Buddy - nice workout -glad to see it's going so well. Did you ever try shrugs on the standing calf machine. they seem easier but totally isolates the traps - may want to try those to pre exhaust or finish off .
BTW- what length pin did u use on the pecs - 1"?

unfortunately both gyms that I train at when I'm at school don't have a standing calf raise... so thats not a possibility, but I have seen people do them and they seem to be a smart idea

correct, a 1" pin is what I use to shoot my pecs

 

[TheMilkMan]

September 7th

100mg Test Prop, 37.5mg Tren Ace... injected into left delt, hate shooting my left delt because it seems like I ALWAYS hit a nerve

NO TRAINING

"clean up cardio"

 

[TheMilkMan]

September 8th

100mg Test Prop, 37.5mg Tren Ace... injected into my right delt, injection went well, but I can't say I care too much for delt injections anymore

Legs

Leg Press 5plates/10, 6plates/10, 7.5plates/10, 9plates/5
Stiff Leg Dead Lifts 315/8, 365/5, 385/5
Smith Machine Front Squats 135/12, 185/8, 205/8
Leg Extensions 200/15, 250/12, 300/10

45 Degree Calf Presses 270/20, 360/15, 360/15
Nautilus Calf Presses 400/12, 400/12, 400/12

*felt pretty good today, couldn't get too comfortable doing Front Squats so that was the only down side

 

[getfitdoc]

do u like smith front squats better than free?

when i hurt my back, the only squating movement i could do was smith front squats.

 

[TheMilkMan]

do u like smith front squats better than free?

its not so much that I like them more, but someone was using the Squat Rack and I haven't done them in forever, so I figured I would ease back into them with the Smith Machine... probably won't do them like that again

 

[psychobilly]

how much weight have u gained and bf lost, gained? how much strength gain?

 

[TheMilkMan]

how much weight have u gained and bf lost, gained? how much strength gain?

I'm up approximately 10 lbs and have gained no bodyfat...

as far as strength gains, I have noticed some good improvements

this cycle is still young though, so we'll see what happens

 

[TheMilkMan]

September 9th

right rear delt is pretty swollen... about 1.5 times the size of the left, not hot to the touch and no redness... think it may have just been a bad injection

100mg Test Prop, 37.5mg Tren Ace... injected into right glute, went well enough... if my ass is killing tomorrow I'll know something is wrong with the gear

Chest and Biceps

Incline Bench 225/5, 245/5, 245/5, 265/3, 275/1
Flat DB Bench 90's/10, 100's/8, 100's/8, 100's/8
Incline Cable Flyes 70/12, 80/10, 80/10, 80/8

Spider Curls 75/9, 75/9, 75/8
One Arm Cable Curls 70/12, 70/12, 70/10

*felt pretty good but my triceps were still a little sore and so was my shoulder from the previous day's injection

 

[JayC]

Think you might possibly extend this cycle like the last?? ..or are you looking at doing shorter cycles w/shorter time off?

 

[TheMilkMan]

Think you might possibly extend this cycle like the last?? ..or are you looking at doing shorter cycles w/shorter time off?

its tough to say, I don't know how much more than 8 weeks of Tren I want to do... and I am planning on running a nice long one starting mid-January, so I'm going to need to stay shorter with this one

I do really like the dry, hard gains that I have been noticing though

 

[TheMilkMan]

one8nine... thanks for your comments

only reason I don't want to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or caber at this point in my cycle is because I'm seeing almost no real negative side from the estro or the progesterone... the sluggishness is really all I have experienced

no real bloat, no gyno, etc from either the test or tren so I can't see the reasoning to throw in an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or caber quite yet

And I did read your "prevent/reduce side effects"... I just think the Adex would do be more harm then good at this point because of how dry my joints got when I used it my last cycle

And I don't have access to Caber right now, so that's a no go

Explain how Letro prevents estro and progesterone, there wasn't much explaining in your post

 

[TheMilkMan]

September 10th

really good news... my right rear delt is in much better shape this morning. The swelling has subsided greatly, the soreness/stiffness is nearly gone, and my right glute (where I shot the same gear yesterday) is perfectly fine and actually feels better than normal

100mg Test Prop, 37.5mg Tren Ace... injected into left glute, went very well

4 pumps of Sustain Alpha... rubbed into my forearms

NO TRAINING

 

[JayC]

Great news about the delt! ...and in my opinion stay away from adex and letro!! Both are terrible AI's for men and reduce the wrong estro.. plus letro tends to cause a rebound effect and shut your estro down completely (bad!).. Letro is fine for a few days if have bad signs of gyno but thats about the only time I recommend that. Didn't you have some AIFM on hand?? Personally I'd be using that at a squirt or two daily just to keep levels normal throughtout cycle.. AIFM or Aromasin are the only AI's I would/will use..

 

[leanbody]

Good news Milk - funny how sometimes it hurts like an SOB. Maybe u hit a nerve.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Great news about the delt! ...and in my opinion stay away from adex and letro!! Both are terrible AI's for men and reduce the wrong estro.. plus letro tends to cause a rebound effect and shut your estro down completely (bad!).. Letro is fine for a few days if have bad signs of gyno but thats about the only time I recommend that. Didn't you have some AIFM on hand?? Personally I'd be using that at a squirt or two daily just to keep levels normal throughtout cycle.. AIFM or Aromasin are the only AI's I would/will use..

AIFM is the plan for now, I might run it like 2 pumps a day for a little while and see how it works for me

I'm also going to start the Sustain Alpha from PP soon as well and hopefully my nuts come back/stay the same

 

[TheMilkMan]

Good news Milk - funny how sometimes it hurts like an SOB. Maybe u hit a nerve.

it was weird cuz I have never had any real injection issues in any of my previous cycles, the right delt was the first issue

 

[gogetter]

milk are you running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout your cycle?

 

[TheMilkMan]

milk are you running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout your cycle?

I wish, unfortunately I couldn't get my hands on any with the slow of production.

I have noticed slight atrophy, and I'm hoping the Sustain Alpha helps with that.

I also have an order coming in soon for 25k iu's of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and if that ever gets here, I'll be in good shape for a while.

 

[leanbody]

I wish, unfortunately I couldn't get my hands on any with the slow of production.

I have noticed slight atrophy, and I'm hoping the Sustain Alpha helps with that.

I also have an order coming in soon for 25k iu's of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and if that ever gets here, I'll be in good shape for a while.

You've noticed atrophy in size or strength?