More and More Failed PCTs...
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Jack Torsbear4
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good post made me re-think things...
bigherm2121
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Yes sir. Ologys best of the best Laying it down.
darkside06
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This is the best thread on this site. it really needs to be stickied so all the newbs can see it. Ton's of knowledge in here.
bigherm2121
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OK we need to stick this. I have always read Scally's post cycle therapy (pct) methods and he says the same things, that were starting post cycle therapy (pct) too soon.
you tell people this and its like blasphemy.
we should be the first to have it at the top of the board, The post cycle therapy (pct) Epidemic
That day me and you went over this really made me look differently into starting two weeks after a long ester. That was foreal good shit bro.
Bullishness
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HCG on cycle is tricky because there is no solid way to determine whether or not it is actually serving the desired purpose of maintaining testicular function.
Even if you draw blood, you will not be able to determine if the testes are actually producing any additional test on their own since you'll be injecting test as part of the cycle.
Also, you cannot look at traditional markers like LH and FSH since these are not going to elevate (contray to populate myth) in the presence of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) do to the feedback loop of the HPTA detecting a high level of exogenous test in the system.
Some would say that we could just gauge it by "feel" or whether or not ther is much "shrinkage." Neither of those are very good measure and they are totally unreliable from person to person.
So, one is really left to just guess on how much Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is enough. I'd suggest that 500 iu twice a week would be as good a guess as any.
As for Adex during the blast phase of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after the cycle, I'd consider 1 mg EOD to be the minimum. More may be need but that can only really be determined individually.
Personally, I had to use Adex at 1mg ED to control the estrogen in the blast phase with HCG. Even with that my E was in the upper 30s. That is why I prefer Letro - it is stronger and I can manage estrogen better with it in the presence of high Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) applications.
I had a friend of almost 25 years that abused AAS for quite a long time.
He did some galacticly dumb things liking running 1000mg cycles in his 40s.
He had a stroke and later died as a result.
So, yes, I am acutely aware of the dangerous of high hemocrit, skewed lipid profiles, high blood pressure, and the possibly vascular incidents.
That is the reason I am admittedly opposed to guys my age, 42 years old, running cycles. Period.
In the short term, a cycle here and there with appropriate PCT support posses considerable less risk than consistent abuse of AAS year after year of one's life. Notice I did not write posses "no risk," I wrote "less risk."
Make no mistake, there are always possibilities and risks. I cannot comment on them specifically in your case because I have no knowledge of your overall health. I would be inclined to believe that an aspirin a day would not be an issue.
If you have these concerns about your overall health, I'd suggest you get a full blood panel pulled prior to cycling. It is a good practice for everyone.
He did some galacticly dumb things liking running 1000mg cycles in his 40s.
He had a stroke and later died as a result.
So, yes, I am acutely aware of the dangerous of high hemocrit, skewed lipid profiles, high blood pressure, and the possibly vascular incidents.
That is the reason I am admittedly opposed to guys my age, 42 years old, running cycles. Period.
In the short term, a cycle here and there with appropriate PCT support posses considerable less risk than consistent abuse of AAS year after year of one's life. Notice I did not write posses "no risk," I wrote "less risk."
Make no mistake, there are always possibilities and risks. I cannot comment on them specifically in your case because I have no knowledge of your overall health. I would be inclined to believe that an aspirin a day would not be an issue.
If you have these concerns about your overall health, I'd suggest you get a full blood panel pulled prior to cycling. It is a good practice for everyone.
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Bullishness
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Cashout, so your friend was running 1000mg how often? Per day, per week ? How much is to much? I am 47 and just finished your recommended Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast and into my PCT now. Already planning my next cycle. Any advice?
He regularly ran cycles in the 1000 mgs per week range a couple times per year right up until the day of his stroke.
My question to you, like to him before, is to whom and what are you trying to prove by cycling at 47?
His answer to my questioning his decision making was usually...
"It's my life and if I go out this way, at least I'll go out doing what I love and I'll be big."
He died in ICU after 48 hours of begging God to give him another chance.
So, I ask you again, what are you getting out of cycling?
At the risk of 'hijacking' a thread about PCT, I'll answer.
My father (RIP) and my little brother were/are both physicians. I am a Ph.D.
I appreciate your position. I was fortunate enough that when I started my first cycle more than 20 years ago, my father's partner was willing to help monitor me.
That said, the only question that you need to ask that I've not seen you answer yet is why do AAS?
What is the goal?
Goals dictate actions.
I don't know anything about Ritalin or Klonopin so I couldn't comment about anything associated with those drugs.
From what you wrote, your simple vitals seem acceptable and there is nothing other than your HDL being a little on the low side that would be an issue. Of course that is vary superficial analysis.
My father (RIP) and my little brother were/are both physicians. I am a Ph.D.
I appreciate your position. I was fortunate enough that when I started my first cycle more than 20 years ago, my father's partner was willing to help monitor me.
That said, the only question that you need to ask that I've not seen you answer yet is why do AAS?
What is the goal?
Goals dictate actions.
I don't know anything about Ritalin or Klonopin so I couldn't comment about anything associated with those drugs.
From what you wrote, your simple vitals seem acceptable and there is nothing other than your HDL being a little on the low side that would be an issue. Of course that is vary superficial analysis.
Bullishness
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Cashout, Thank You for your response. I love being on cycle, I know at my age 47 that there are certain risks involved. But to answer your question, I simply love the feeling that added testosterone gives me. Probably the same as many people on this forum. This is something that i have always wanted to do. I have been lifting for 20+ years all natural and wanted to see the difference Anabolic Steroids could make.
Yes and aside from one very poorly designed and documented Italian case study published in a very minor medical journal, trip has not been shown to be effective as a restoration tool.
I have used torm with folks in the past (at their insistence) and the results have been less than what we typically achieve with Clomid/Nolva.
I have used torm with folks in the past (at their insistence) and the results have been less than what we typically achieve with Clomid/Nolva.
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