My cycle of test enanthate

anewguy said:
I feel ya bro. I'm not backing anyone up... I'm just sick of seeing the new guys come in and ask for help without researching anything.

But everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that someone is too young, when in all actuality many young men are rightfully prescribed to AAS.

OP, blood work is a good suggestion. You don't want to stunt yourself. Don't let an Internet pissing match disguise the facts... Or lack there of
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I actually have a friend that has been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) since he was 17 so I completely agree with you...but those people are very far and few. Im not taking any offense to your opinions bro....nor to the mic win individual..I tried to talk to him but you seen how that turned out lol
 
Phil Mc Win said:
And you people disrespect???? bro you called me a lightweight bro. When you have no iea what i look like. Im not about to post a pic on here to prove a point either. I was simply trying to know if my fuckin cycle was good not to know if mister fucken cobra aprouved of my weight. what would you like me to weight mister fucken cobra befor i can go on gear. See how it doesnt make any sence.. yes thats what i taught. Also i like how much respect yo give to us young bodybuilders.. Bash me right from the get go and accpet to have a nice informative conversation. It doesnt work when a person belittles sumone. thats why i said that if we were in person and u said i was too small i would say ok pose down right now if i wanted to go down to ur level..
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Thank you for replying and thank you for callin me mister fuckin cobra...that is awsome! I should change my name! I never called you light weight...I said you were light for your height. You are really taking offense to this....do you have some kind of issue here?

and what does it matter if your cycle is correct or not if you are to young to do it?

ok your turn
 
I agree with the age thing, but i stronglydisagree about the weight man thats all. I also think you try and act all hard.. an i dont see a point as i am a guy seeking information not a pissing contest. Remember you posted on my comment i didnt comment on yours so the last you can do is show respect in your post. Will my natural test not bounce back with the use of nolva and hcg in my post cycle therapy (pct). thats what hcg is for. And will aas use hinder my natural test for life? these are all things i use to beleive but all these websites made me uderstand that the sides arre greatly over exagerated. the reason i have never taken anything (been training 9 years) is because i always looked at users as cheaters and unhealthy ppl... but the research is what changed my outlook on the whole situation because theres a product for every side effect and i thaught i had included them all in my cycle.
 
Phil Mc Win said:
I agree with the age thing, but i stronglydisagree about the weight man thats all. I also think you try and act all hard.. an i dont see a point as i am a guy seeking information not a pissing contest. Remember you posted on my comment i didnt comment on yours so the last you can do is show respect in your post. Will my natural test not bounce back with the use of nolva and hcg in my post cycle therapy (pct). thats what hcg is for. And will aas use hinder my natural test for life? these are all things i use to beleive but all these websites made me uderstand that the sides arre greatly over exagerated. the reason i have never taken anything (been training 9 years) is because i always looked at users as cheaters and unhealthy ppl... but the research is what changed my outlook on the whole situation because theres a product for every side effect and i thaught i had included them all in my cycle.
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It doesnt matter if your 22 or 42...there is always a chance that your natty test can shut down with any cycle you do. Its a risk we all take. As far as sides go well everyone reacts to things differently so there is not really a way to answer that except that I believe that most people dont experience a whole lot of sides that they cant handle. There are two ways to my knowledge of running hcg in your post cycle therapy (pct)...one is that you shouldnt and the other is dr scallys post cycle therapy (pct) protocol where it does include hcg. I believe hcg should be ran the entire cycle as well. You cant garantee that nolva or clomid will restart your hpta...its just there to try.

as far as you being to young there are many reasons other then just your natty test level. One is that your hormones have not leveled off...they are basically like a rollercoaster at your age so why would you want to put exogenous hormones in your body and make them even more out of wack? We can also bring up growth plates...quality of life in the next decade...there are many reasons....there is a sticky on the front page called "am I ready for gear checklist"...you can learn some stuff from that as well
 
Sounds good, thanks.. I guess I will ree evaluate how much I really need this cycle. Its more of a way to make working out more exciting and less stagnent. I have reached my goal this year i getting cut. And also have gotten as big as i could naturally, i just think theres no way i can push my body further, thats why I got mad when u said i was to light. Its because im in the middle of re bulking. But understand the quality of life change and stuff, its just that i never here people with that kind of awnesty. Everyone i know say nothing but good things, and im not sure if its because they want to see how big i will get. But anyways I appreciate your last post
 
Phil Mc Win said:
Sounds good, thanks.. I guess I will ree evaluate how much I really need this cycle. Its more of a way to make working out more exciting and less stagnent. I have reached my goal this year i getting cut. And also have gotten as big as i could naturally, i just think theres no way i can push my body further, thats why I got mad when u said i was to light. Its because im in the middle of re bulking. But understand the quality of life change and stuff, its just that i never here people with that kind of awnesty. Everyone i know say nothing but good things, and im not sure if its because they want to see how big i will get. But anyways I appreciate your last post
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I know how your feeling....the best thing to do to grow is eat....you probably think that you are eating plenty right now but there is always room for more....that is one of the reasons I believe your to light. At your age you still can make great gains without gear. Ya gear does make it exciting but is it worth the risks? You have a lot of time left to get jacked bro....lots of guys would love to be at the test level your probably at naturally. You should take advantage now when you are able. There is always a way to push forward....you just need determination!
 
Only on American forums is 22 too young, nobody has the right to tell anyone when to juice (within reason obviously). After all this is bodybuilding and last time I checked anyone who did anything worth mentioning in bodybuilding juiced well before 25.

People act like there is some magic age or difference between 22 and 25 when in reality it's very much dependant on the individual.

Juice is an individuals decision.
 
GymHard said:
Only on American forums is 22 too young, nobody has the right to tell anyone when to juice (within reason obviously). After all this is bodybuilding and last time I checked anyone who did anything worth mentioning in bodybuilding juiced well before 25.

People act like there is some magic age or difference between 22 and 25 when in reality it's very much dependant on the individual.

Juice is an individuals decision.
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Yes it is an individual basis but there have been studies done which states that the vast majority of the population won't balance out hormonal wise until 24 or 25. Now unless your dead set on becoming a professional such as jay cutler then there is no reason to risk fucking up your endocrine system and the chances of anyone reaching that level is slim to none. Your genetics have to be there first. Refering to your statement I have absolutely every right to educate a younger person on the use of aas....it really comes down to what they want to do but they should know the risks....you can preach individuality all day but physiology of the human body isn't changing
 
Cobra Strike said:
Yes it is an individual basis but there have been studies done which states that the vast majority of the population won't balance out hormonal wise until 24 or 25. Now unless your dead set on becoming a professional such as jay cutler then there is no reason to risk fucking up your endocrine system and the chances of anyone reaching that level is slim to none. Your genetics have to be there first. Refering to your statement I have absolutely every right to educate a younger person on the use of aas....it really comes down to what they want to do but they should know the risks....you can preach individuality all day but physiology of the human body isn't changing
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I see what you're saying, but there is a risk no matter what, also I'd like to see studies showing that the HPTA will recover much more efficiently at 25 instead of for example 21, I do not believe this to be true. I believe the risk of poor recovery is the individual/genetics. At the end of the day you're still shutting yourself down and you're still having to recover.

How does one know if there genetics are there without juicing?

Natural genetics and genetics on juice aren't the same. Some people just don't respond well to gear. Others look like shit naturally but a god on gear.

I'm not saying you're wrong either in waiting till you're 25 in terms of recovery there is just seems to be a lot of conflicting evidence, theories and opinions.
 
GymHard said:
I see what you're saying, but there is a risk no matter what, also I'd like to see studies showing that the HPTA will recover much more efficiently at 25 instead of for example 21, I do not believe this to be true. I believe the risk of poor recovery is the individual/genetics. At the end of the day you're still shutting yourself down and you're still having to recover.

How does one know if there genetics are there without juicing?

Natural genetics and genetics on juice aren't the same. Some people just don't respond well to gear. Others look like shit naturally but a god on gear.

I'm not saying you're wrong either in waiting till you're 25 in terms of recovery there is just seems to be a lot of conflicting evidence, theories and opinions.
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Good post. Good argument. I'm not really talking about recovery but you are correct...doesnt matter what age you still have to recover. I'm talking more along the lines of hormonal imbalances and not messing with them when they are flucuating so much at that age. When a person has naturally insane genetics and they work out they blow up a lot faster and can easily gain. I know guys that are all natural that look like guys that run cycles....now put those guys on steroids....rediculous! Night and day difference between those guys and guys like me...unfortunately ;)

P.s. I am no expert....these are just my opinions based on my experiences and knowledge bank
 
Hey mister fuckin cobra, what kind of bronzer do you use brah? I gotta get me some cuz you're lookin extra crispy in your new pic! hahaha jp bro lookin jacked and tough as fuck!

All I have to say is if you need proof that peoples hormones are still fluctuating at age 22, read this entire thread hahaha
 
coltmc45 said:
Hey mister fuckin cobra, what kind of bronzer do you use brah? I gotta get me some cuz you're lookin extra crispy in your new pic! hahaha jp bro lookin jacked and tough as fuck!

All I have to say is if you need proof that peoples hormones are still fluctuating at age 22, read this entire thread hahaha
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I do like the mister fukin cobra name....its got some bite!

No bronzer or tanning beds...strictly tan from boating on saturdays LOL I get dark...and that pic is me out of the sun for the last two weeks

Funny post bro
 
Just for the pure entertainment value of this thread I wanted to bump it so people would see it again. MR FUCKING COBRA!!!!!!! LOL
 
anewguy said:
I'm tired of seeing shit like this. We all know that young people have more natty test. That being said, it doesn't mean that everyone has plenty of it at 22.. Or any age.
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so true lol.. I have the natty test of an average 50 year old before ever touching juice.
 
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