i dont measure them and im actually closer to 148-150 in those pics, my guess is around 14", they used to be 15 1/4" when i was 18, of course back then i had chest day and arms day and skipped everything else.
i dont follow and specific routine, dont count reps or sets or calories, i listen to my body and the mirror for anything, that is true bodybuilding(well maybe not at competitive level)
i also have good genetics or something because i dont train traps at all and diet is on and off, mostly from depression, but im working on it.
as for now ive made a personal decision to reach my natural genetic limit then reevaluate myself, thanks for everyones advice, my advice to anyone is if you want to do something then do it, and dedicate your life to your dreams, even if you think you dont stand a chance youll find if you dont give up youll achieve anything you set your mind onto doing.
thank you everyone!
just made new thread of my 2 yr transformation if anyones interested
steroidology.com/forum/pictures-our-members/590468-my-2-year-long-natural-transformation.html#post2691164