talked to a guy from customs

Theres no "flagging" atleast not residential homes unless youre moving big weight. I have had packs arrive to "flaggged" addresses multiple times. whether you sign or not matter not. you break the law you can go to jail. period. You can try all the cool suggestions of what to do to get out of it if you want, how many dope dealers you see getting a free pass on cops
 
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Well, actually a lot of the "customs officer" told him is true, he might have interpreted it wrong but it is.

AAS are a "big deal" for the DEA and DHS, so places with major occurrence of AAS are obviously flagged. So a package coming china/hong kong/thai etc. is more likely to be opened than one from Zimbabwe. They do check packages randomly looking for contraband, even use color x-ray.
I think what he meant by fake names, is if a officer picks up a box, and it says John Doe, or Muscular Vagina, of Rufus Mastomatoes etc. it will definitelly get opened.
About the whole siging deal..your signature will get u arrested right there and will help the prosecution get a conviction without problems. Without a signature and with a refusal of the package, u "cannot" get arrested on the spot unless they have a warrant and probable cause. But If they took the time and money to make a controlled delivery dont u think they already have a search warrant in hands specially because the burden of proof is on them so still, you're fucked. Hope i cleared it out
 
it may sound as a dumb question, but what is considered "personal use" if you do get busted and or when is it crossing the line into a "large order....?
Obviously I know common sense plays a role here but is there exact numbers of amps/ vials/ pills combo???
 
tazman03 said:
it may sound as a dumb question, but what is considered "personal use" if you do get busted and or when is it crossing the line into a "large order....?
Obviously I know common sense plays a role here but is there exact numbers of amps/ vials/ pills combo???
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Personal use is about one vial.
 
In the US there's no such a thing as personal use for AAS. They will prosecute you to the full extent of the law, meaning that when they indict you they will try to hit you with every charge in the book. There's no slap on the hand. if you go down..they take you down hard. Of course there's people thinking that they have been ordering for the past 10 years and nothing ever happened...and might never will, hopefully. Prison is full of innocent people,ask them..:tounge2:
 
This is an interesting thread because everyone seems to ' have a friend' or 'know a guy who knows a guy' or attended parties with super secret agents ... etc. etc.

Signing for a package with unlisted content, unknown content, or declared items not enclosed has no legal relevance. You DO NOT need to sign for a package to be charged or prosecuted if the content is deemed illegal. Signing for anything (whether content is known or not) using a bogus name will qualify you for the finals at the STUPIDITY AWARDS. Don't forget to wear your big red shoes to the award ceremony!!!

Some people here may be suprized to learn that signing for anything using a bogus name will yield you more legal problems and sanctions than those associated to the content of the package. Sartisfying the burden of proof for a bogus signature is a no brainer. Satisfying the legal requirements for a successful prosecution relating to package content is not as easy as some paranoid people here may think.
 
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ZzSkywalkerzZ said:
In the US there's no such a thing as personal use for AAS. They will prosecute you to the full extent of the law, meaning that when they indict you they will try to hit you with every charge in the book. There's no slap on the hand. if you go down..they take you down hard. Of course there's people thinking that they have been ordering for the past 10 years and nothing ever happened...and might never will, hopefully. Prison is full of innocent people,ask them..:tounge2:
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Sorry but you really need to quit talking out your ass. You are overly paranoid and ignorant about the law.

Do you have any clue why guys receive Seizure Letters from Customs when their pac gets seized and not busted to the full extent of the law like you claim.

You sound like you have some sort of hidden agenda here, I have lost count of the number of your posts why you spout the same bullshit over and over.
 
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That was a reply to a previous post describing a possession charge being handle as "personal use", and I solely gave my perspective from a US point of view. In contrary to what u implied I never said everyone that buys gear will get arrested and charged stone, but, "if and when" it happens that's what the law states. Not my opinion(not doubting your knowlege of US criminal law) it's a fact. Now, my paranoia should not reflect on nor affect anyone who reads my post, we're all adults. I'm entitled to my opinions as you are to yours "...ignorant, bullshit". Some of us are just more respectfull than others.
 
Does anyone here know anyone personally in the dea? I do. Do you knowhow they bust you? I do. It's not the signature that gets you busted, it's actually opening up the pack. They do a controlled delivery on you with the package wired up so as soon as you open it there's an alarm in their vehicle that's waiting around the corner with SWAT and anyone else they need to bring. Anything can be sent to your house by anyone and that's out of our control. But by you willingly opening up a package that shows you were expecting it and makes an air tight solid case for them. It doesn't matter who's name it is on the pack, you opening it says "I admit I was excepting this as my own". Now opening up someone else's mail is a federal offense but I'm sure they're not worried about that as much. I wouldn't doubt it if they came after you for it if they needed another charge to tick or to hold you for longer though. Steroids are illegal to have in your posesion without a prescription. For personal use or for dealing. They changed the law so now a bottle of gear isn't 1 but it's now 10 or 20, whatever the ml's are. Most of the guys who order a small pack get a seizure letter but if you live in a small town where it's unheard of to get stuff like that then they just might set an example of you like that. I had a buddy who was the first in my town to be caught with E and man did they run him through the ringer, the next guy with the same amount got half the punishment my buddy did. LE likes to set examples of people. So long story short, if you don't open it and send it back to the post office then you're fine, if you keep it and open it then you're in trouble, that's if they are doing a controlled delivery.
 
I really hate to keep beating this topic to death but:

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU SIGN FOR THE PACKAGE OR NOT;&
IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU OPEN THE PACKAGE. OPENING A PACKAGE IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF LIABILITY, ACCEPTANCE OR GUILT..... ALL OF THE AFOREMENTIONED ARE IRRELEVANT WHEN IT COMES TO POSSESSION ISSUES ANYWAYS

You either possess gear...... or you don't
You can possess gear without opening it
You can possess gear with or without signing for it
You can possess gear without physically holding it

Perhaps we are losing sight of the fact that most authorities don't give a shit about the quantities we are discussing. Law enforcement uses DISCRETION. Use a little comon sense..... If you complicate things you may as well walk into your nearest DEA or law enforcement office with your gear in hand and syringe in your ass
 
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Funny that you are wrong.^^.. Who do you know that works in law enforcement. I bet no one. Like I said, anyone can send anything to your house. If it's in a package then you have no way of knowing it and unless you open it then you are fine. If you get a suspicious package then you are to return it to the people who delivered it and say you never ordered it. My friend has went to court more times then you I would bet and has put many people in jail. How many have you? I bet none. You can't possess something if you have no clue where it came from or what's in the box. And opening the package is not admitting liability it's admitting you are the person that was expecting it and you are admitting it was yours. So in the end if you don't return it and open it you're screwed.
 
Not to generalize this, as members of this board come from diferent parts of the world, if you're really interested you should look up you local laws. There are obviously lots of important info on this subject here but it certainly does not apply to all. Just because someone on this board said so, or because someone watches Homeland Security on tv, doesnt mean the Swat is coming, even though it could. Do so, and no one else has to umm..how does it goes
"...beat this topic to death" ...yup
 
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No need to take things personal Gringo. I am speaking from experience.... Those of you who are in Canada may remember a well publicized joint investigation back in the early 1990's that originated in Calgary, Alberta with a well known prominent sports physician who supplied gear to professional wrestlers, fighters and athletes. Some gear prescribed and some not. It was probably one of the first times gear was sensationalized in Canadian media. I can assure you that when you are apart of something like that (regardless of the side you are on)..... you know your shit!!

I am not speaking about a friend of a friend who has a neighbor that knows a guy who married a chick that works with another chick who has a cousin that's banging another cousin who watches Matlock every week.... bla bla bla

Possession is NOT a state of mind and has no mental element as defined in most western criminal codes. A simple search of the legal term 'possession', 'criminal possession', 'constructive possession', and oddly enough 'innocent possession' will clarify the accuracy of what I have posted. Even if you do not have actual physical possession but hold a key to a property or storage facility where gear is stored you have CONSTRUCTIVE POSSESSION. The laws are very precise so that one can not claim ignorance or expect to get off because they rode the short bus to school. The guidance being given in this thread is complete BULLSHIT!!!!

At the end of the day your screwed..... the question is whether or not the authorities care to waste the time, money and resources on someone who ocassionaly does a cycle.... IMO NO!!!

If you don't have the stomach for the risk take up bowling instead of weights
 
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All this shit can be thrown out with a good attorney. I have no control if someone wanted to set me up and send me shit in the mail. Not my fault someone got a bug up their arse :)
 
I agree 110% Oz..... and you have just explained why the authorities are not going to waste their time on trivial matters such as this
 
Ozzy27 said:
All this shit can be thrown out with a good attorney. I have no control if someone wanted to set me up and send me shit in the mail. Not my fault someone got a bug up their arse :)
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No shit, if thats all it took I'd of already set my dads 2nd Ex wife up lookin @ life LMAO....
 
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