Test E/EQ Spring Cycle

[leanbody]

Weeks 1-4:
20mg Nolva ED
Testosterone Recovery Stack from PP
6 pumps Sustain Alpha - 5 days on, 2 days off
1 scoop Toco 8 ED
1 scoop EndoAmp ED
2 pumps DermaTherm Target ED

*will be applying the DermaTherm Target to the lower abs and the "love handles" ED

Weeks 1-2
Clen 75mcg ED

OTC Supplements
Daily Multi-Vitamin
NO Explode Pre-Workout on Training days and in the morning on non-training days
*hoping to keep the great pumps up as motivation during the workouts

Nice plan dude - looks like you'll have the boyz back in business within the month! One question - No Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? why not?

BTW - I like the derma therm Target - you'll have to let me know how that goes. i tried Yohimburn by the AIFM folks for the same reason and while it felt great and smelled like mint, it didn't seem to burn off even a little fat! LOL - so i guess it's all trail and error. I'm down to a 4 pack now - so any help across the belt line would be nice...

 

[TheMilkMan]

Nice plan dude - looks like you'll have the boyz back in business within the month! One question - No Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? why not?

BTW - I like the derma therm Target - you'll have to let me know how that goes. i tried Yohimburn by the AIFM folks for the same reason and while it felt great and smelled like mint, it didn't seem to burn off even a little fat! LOL - so i guess it's all trail and error. I'm down to a 4 pack now - so any help across the belt line would be nice...

I'm a true believer that HCG should be used during the cycle only... I used the Sustain Alpha on cycle protocol, which mimicked HCG use and kept me somewhat "normal" throughout the cycle. Now that that's over, I'm going to do my post cycle therapy (pct) as if I had ran "real" HCG throughout the cycle.

I'm hoping the DermaTherma Target does a little bit of anything because I always feel that the love handles and lower abs are always the first thing to soften. I can only hope.

 

[leanbody]

].....because I always feel that the love handles and lower abs are always the first thing to soften.[/B] I can only hope.

hahahaha - that's certainly been MY experience .

Luv handles

 

[TheMilkMan]

PCT Days 1 and 2

PCT Day 1
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
6 pumps Sustain Alpha
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

*NO TRAINING
*felt surprisingly good and had great energy all day

PCT Day 2
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
6 pumps Sustain Alpha
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

Day B24: Back, Bis, Cardio

Pull Ups bw/10, bw/10, bw/8, bw/8
HS Hi-Lo Rows 90(each side)/15, 115/12, 135/10
Cable Rows 225/10, 255/8, 255/8

Standing DB Curls 40's/10, 50's/7
Machine Preacher Curls 80/10, 80/10

15 minutes walking on Treadmill... heart rate ~150bpm

*little less energy than yesterday, but I attribute that to lack of sleep and nothing else

 

[HUNG4RY4N]

how are you coping with the endo amp & toco8? Those two tasted like hell IMO.

 

[TheMilkMan]

how are you coping with the endo amp & toco8? Those two tasted like hell IMO.

I don't think they are too bad, just kinda chalky. Try Clomid in Everclear and then tell me what bad is all about lol. I almost threw up every time I used that shit.

How did you feel you recovered on Primordial Performances TRS?? Not that 2 days is a great indicator of recovery, but these first 2 days of post cycle therapy (pct) have not been bad at all.

 

[Dlove]

Great log this time around Milk. I enjoyed following this and you did a hell of a job recording everything. I hope you keep a training log up while your off cycle? Are you still going to give the 5/3/1 a whirl?

Dude sweet #'s on the flat bench 10x275 is getting heavy bro. You should look back in the log and post what you started at weight wise with the big 3 and what you ended with.

Side note I could use your guys help I posted something in the anabolic forum shits not looking to good my way.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Great log this time around Milk. I enjoyed following this and you did a hell of a job recording everything. I hope you keep a training log up while your off cycle? Are you still going to give the 5/3/1 a whirl?

Dude sweet #'s on the flat bench 10x275 is getting heavy bro. You should look back in the log and post what you started at weight wise with the big 3 and what you ended with.

Side note I could use your guys help I posted something in the anabolic forum shits not looking to good my way.

I'm glad you enjoyed it my man. I really try to keep it detailed for myself because it means a lot to me to hold myself accountable and if someone can learn something from it, then I was successful. I will be keeping a training log off cycle for sure, I think it's even more pivotal now. Being natty makes it that much harder and accountability is just as important IMO.

I plan on giving the 5/3/1 by Wendler a try for sure. I'm thinking that I'm going to do the 3 day split like this... Monday-Squat, Wednesday-Bench, Friday-Dead and try and hit cardio one other day a week on top of the 3 post-workout cardio sessions. I'm going to test my post-PCT #'s in all 3 lifts and use those as my maxes for the percentages. I'm really interested in the low volume/high intensity focus on the big 3 will yield big strength improvements. I figure the stronger I am natty, ultimately the stronger I will be able to get when I'm on again.

I'd love to do some comparisons #'s wise, but I really can't because I tweaked my back about a month back and haven't gone too heavy with Deads or Squats in a while. I can say that by week 12 or so of this cycle, I was pulling 525 for a couple reps and Squatting 475 with ease. Benching was touching 350 and that was without any real focus on power lifting. Assuming I test myself and end up with numbers resembling a 350 Bench, 475 Squat, and 525 Dead, I'd like to combine right around 1450 by my next cycle in January.

I'll check out the thread tomorrow when I get a chance. I'm sure everything isn't too out of whack.

 

[HUNG4RY4N]

I don't think they are too bad, just kinda chalky. Try Clomid in Everclear and then tell me what bad is all about lol. I almost threw up every time I used that shit.

How did you feel you recovered on Primordial Performances TRS?? Not that 2 days is a great indicator of recovery, but these first 2 days of PCT have not been bad at all.

For a few days I actually mixed liquid clomid with toco8 + endo amp...not fun at all. I felt great on the TRS BTW. I think primordial makes great products, Sustain Alpha being one of their best. I cant say how much of a difference the toco8 + endo amp made compared to when I only used sustain alpha, maybe you will be able to gauge that.

good luck with pct

 

[TheMilkMan]

good luck with pct

Thanks man. I'm trying to stay as close to perfect with the diet and I'm giving myself as much rest as possible so I can keep from over training.

 

[TheMilkMan]

PCT Days 3 and 4

PCT Day 3
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
6 pumps Sustain Alpha
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

*NO TRAINING

PCT Day 4
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
6 pumps Sustain Alpha
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

Day C24: Legs, Abs, Cardio

Leg Press 6 plates/8, 8 plates/6, 10 plates/12 *max effort reps
Smith Machine Lunges 135/10(each leg) x 2
Lying Leg Curls 90/20 x 2

20 minutes Elliptical... ~150bpm

Standing Calf Press 215/25, 175/20, 135/15
superset w/
Decline Bench Crunches bw/20 x 3

*felt really good today but the NO-Explode pre-workout was almost too much for my legs
*really felt the Clen on the Elliptical today... heart was pounding pretty good

 

[TheMilkMan]

PCT Days 5 and 6

PCT Day 5
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
6 pumps Sustain Alpha
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

*NO TRAINING

PCT Day 6
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
NO Sustain Alpha
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

Day A25: Chest, Shoulders, Tris

Flat Bench 225/5, 255/5, 280/6, 295/3
Pec Flys 120/12, 150/10, 150/10

DB Shoulder Press 65's/10, 75's/10
Cable Side Raises 30/12, 30/12

One Arm Overhead DB Press 35's/15, 40's/10
Dips bw/12, bw/10

20 minutes Elliptical... ~150bpm

*felt pretty good both days
*really felt the PLing grove for bench and I loved how tight I felt throughout the motion... going to be sticking to that from now on

 

[leanbody]

PCT Day 5
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
6 pumps Sustain Alpha
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

*NO TRAINING

PCT Day 6
20mg Nolva
1 scoop EndoAmp
1 scoop Toco8
2 pumps DermaTherm Target
75mcg Clen

Day A25: Chest, Shoulders, Tris

Flat Bench 225/5, 255/5, 280/6, 295/3
Pec Flys 120/12, 150/10, 150/10

DB Shoulder Press 65's/10, 75's/10
Cable Side Raises 30/12, 30/12

One Arm Overhead DB Press 35's/15, 40's/10
Dips bw/12, bw/10

20 minutes Elliptical... ~150bpm

*felt pretty good both days
*really felt the PLing grove for bench and I loved how tight I felt throughout the motion... going to be sticking to that from now on

nice numbers on the flat bench Milky - what you doing for pec flys? cant be DB's????

 

[HUNG4RY4N]

I know its only been a week, but do you have any input or an opinion concerning the fat loss stack yet?

 

[TheMilkMan]

nice numbers on the flat bench Milky - what you doing for pec flys? cant be DB's????

Thanks man. The Pec Fly was a LifeFitness machine in which you feel like you're hugging a tree. It also doubles as a rear delt machine.

 

[TheMilkMan]

I know its only been a week, but do you have any input or an opinion concerning the fat loss stack yet?

I haven't been using the whole Fat Loss Stack, only the DermaTherm.

I like to run Clen during post cycle therapy (pct) because it makes me "feel" like I'm on something and it gives me a bit of a kick. As far the DermaTherm, I can't really tell much, so I don't want to make any bold claims.

 

[TheMilkMan]

Couple Pics

These pics were taken the day of my last Test Prop injection... weighed 245lbs.

Took these pictures in the bathroom because the lighting in the rest of my apartment didn't really do me much justice.

 

[leanbody]

Thanks man. The Pec Fly was a LifeFitness machine in which you feel like you're hugging a tree. It also doubles as a rear delt machine.

We just got one of those at my gym too - wierd as hell to hug the pads - they hit me on the bicep and then my forearms are just hanging out there - I guess it takes the pressure off of the elbow...


Nice nics dude - i can see whay they call you milk man - it's that tan! - hahahaha - J/k
Looks like you got a LOT more width in your shoulders & lats, very lean too - that's excellent. BTW - you don't look 6'-3 245 in the picture, so you have kept everything in proportion - hard to do for a big guy. Next time you should put something in the picture for scale like a 6'8" doorway. Then you'll look like a fukkin giant! LOL

 

[TheMilkMan]

Nice nics dude - i can see whay they call you milk man - it's that tan! - hahahaha - J/k
Looks like you got a LOT more width in your shoulders & lats, very lean too - that's excellent. BTW - you don't look 6'-3 245 in the picture, so you have kept everything in proportion - hard to do for a big guy. Next time you should put something in the picture for scale like a 6'8" doorway. Then you'll look like a fukkin giant! LOL

lol, yeah man, I need to get out in the sun. The problem is I'm using Accutane right now which makes the skin super sensitive, so I'm trying not to get burnt.

I think your right and I have make some strides in my shoulders and lats. I need to bring my arms up to par and I'd be a lot happier.

Thanks for the compliment man, I think it's so important to stay in proportion. At 6'4" 245lbs, I look pretty big in person, but like you said, without a scale you can't tell how big I am.

 

[psychobilly]

did ur bodyfat remain low or did u lose some bf during ur cycle, im thinkin of runnin a similar cycle in the future..