*The 2010 Steroid Effectiveness Chart*

[nixon0808]

The AAS community has been long over due for an accurate and more detailed steroid effectiveness chart then the one thats been shown for years. Many of us know what personally works best for us, but for someone just getting into the scene, a detailed breakdown of the compounds Im sure could be of great help.

I will simply break it down into four catagories.

#1) Size: The overall mass that a compound has the ability to put on. This is the combination of new actual muscle tissue that is formed as well as the water weight that comes along with the compound.

#2) Strength : This ones self explanatory

#3) Actual Muscle Gain : The amount of actual new muscle tissue that a compound has the ability to form not considering water weight. (The best judge of a compounds effectivness)

#4) Side Effects : Again self explanatory


So here it goes...

The 2010 Steroid Effectivness Chart

Injectables

Deca Durabolin (Nandrolone):
Size: 7
Strength: 7
Actual Muscle Gain: 6
Sides: 5 (8 if HPTA shutdown is a concern)

Equipoise (Boldenone)
Size: 5
Strength: 5
Actual Muscle Gain: 5
Sides: 3

Masteron (Drostanolone)
Size: 2
Strength: 6
Actual Muscle Gain: 2
Sides: 3

Primobolan (Methenolone)
Size: 6
Strength: 5
Actual Muscle Gain: 6
Sides: 2

Testosterone
Size: 9
Strength: 9
Actual Muscle Gain: 8
Sides: 6

Trenbolone
Size: 8.5
Strength: 9.5
Actual Muscle Gain:8.5
Sides: 8

Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Size: 3
Strength: 6
Actual Muscle Gain: 3
Sides:6.5

Orals

Anadrol (Oxymetholone)
Size:10
Strength:10
Actual Muscle Gain: 5.5
Sides: 9.5

Anavar (Oxandrolone)
Size: 4
Strength: 7
Actual Muscle Gain:4
Sides:4 (only because its effect on lipids)

Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)
Size:9
Strength: 9
Actual Muscle Gain: 6
Sides: 8

Turinabol (4-chlorodehydro methyltestosterone)
Size:6
Strength: 7
Actual Muscle Gain: 5.5
Sides: 4

So there it is. And again, obviously the actions and side effects of AAS can and will vary greatly from person to person, but here is a basic breakdown of what one can typically expect from any given compound. Comments/critiques are welcome.

Nixon

 

[Brian328i]

Is this based on personal experience, or?

 

[nixon0808]

I tried to keep my personal bias out of it as much as possible, and tried more to summarize the general concensus of the AAS community.

Nixon

 

[jimbo79]

How should I be convinced?

Beacause....really, I learn alot more from posts and threads on personal experience..

rather than, hear say and stats with what reference.....hear say!?

And when it boils down to it...I will listen to the vets on this board and try things myself with knowledge I gained here instead...

Everyone is different...you can't really give honest stats...that's just imo...

 

[nixon0808]

How should I be convinced?

Beacause....really, I learn alot more from posts and threads on personal experience..

rather than, hear say and stats with what reference.....hear say!?

And when it boils down to it...I will listen to the vets on this board and try things myself with knowledge I gained here instead...

Everyone is different...you can't really give honest stats...that's just imo...

Jimbo, you're agruing the very same points I TRIED to make very clear in my post. Everyone will react differently to any one compound and personal experience is obviously the best indicator of what works for you and what doesn't. This breakdown that ive created is a tool to help individuals make an informed decision, its not the end all be all, set in stone encyclopedia of how everyone will react to each AAS. I tried to make this very clear in my post.

Now I will argue that although there are differences in the way a compound reacts to a persons individual body, these differences are not by leaps and bounds. 100% of the time trenbolone is going to be a more effective AAS than EQ, 100% of the time anadrol is going to give greater strength gains that tbol. You see what im getting at here??

Nixon

 

[jimbo79]

EXACTLY!........newbies will get a wrong impresion!.....This is hear say info...

And shit works different when compounds are mixed together...

Really what's the point! if people react different!?

Hear say will sell to newbies and nobody else....wrong info is what I'm saying...

But wtf....have fun with it.

And P.S! from what i've read and hear and researched...a guy can praise D-ROL all he wants...

but it's one I will never touch...why! Learning my friend...not from hear say stats..

 

[jimbo79]

I'm not a dumb shit like you may think...

But to figure a cycle on paper stats and or pick and choose compounds...a chart won't suffice..


The chart is for what? Newbies to get confused really...Thats it thats all.

 

[jimbo79]

And...over all! What is the final gain on any certain compound compared to?

Gain of 6 as per to what? Need me to elaborate?
Example...
Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)
Size:9
Strength: 9
Actual Muscle Gain: 6
Sides: 8

What are these numbers compared to? another compound? natural gains? Is diet concerned?

 

[jimbo79]

Wish my man Hum-D was around to chime in...

 

[nixon08]

Jimbo, I truly hope you are not as dense as you are coming off. Its not that hard of a concept to understand. You're asking me what a 6 out of 10 point rating system means? I really going to have to dumb this down for you. It means if all other variables are controlled(big words meaning jimbo that if all things are equal such as diet, training, etc..) if a compound has a rating of 6 out of 10 in comparison to say a compound that has a rating of 7 out of 10, the compound with the rating of 7 out of ten would be superior.

I sure hope you were joking when you say "in comparison to what? natural training? etc" Of course not you moron, this is a discussion of AAS so that is what they are being judged against. OTHER AAS!! That means Anabolic/ Androgenic steroids.

And you want to say that this chart is all here say?! This list is from years upon years of research and personal experience.

Ill tell you what. Why don't you list the AAS that you've used and quantify them(that means put them in numbers) on a rating scale from 1-10 with the rating system I used in my original post and then we'll go from there.

Nixon

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

All info is a starting point needing discussion and research.

 

[3J]

i gotta say i believe tren to be much more powerful then shown here.. showing that its only slightly more effective then testosterone seems off to me

 

[1badmofo]

one thing for newbies to also consider is that dosages play a big part in effectiveness and sides

 

[1badmofo]

i gotta say i believe tren to be much more powerful then shown here.. showing that its only slightly more effective then testosterone seems off to me

I had the same thought. Nixon probably has overrated test because by all accounts tren is several times more anabolic than test.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Wish my man Hum-D was around to chime in...

You rang? Consensus would dictate the corrigendum regarding this chart. The grouping of prop, cypionate, enanthate, Propionate, and Suspension as a single entity is injudicious to say the least. Obviously the ester size adds weight to the testosterone molecule. With 100mg enanthate only 76mg are actual testosterone. Versus suspension's 100% testosterone purity. A lack of effects related to body composition changes is lacking. This chart serves only as a testament to a profound lack of understanding regarding compounds. I surmise an error in data points. Please post your data points or PM them to me please.

I laud your attempt, however those who do not have a full grasp of the intricacies involved in individual compounds should not relay potentially damaging information to the community.

I suppose I could stand around here for days picking apart this chart, with regards to lack of ester differentiation, anadrol being rated stronger then trenbenolone, the lack of effects on body composition etc., but I don't think you deserve flaming. Your intentions were good, however, this impulsion has made you lose credibility.

 

[Teutonic]

..as DPR said ..it begs discussion.
...but I quit reading when I saw tren less anaboloic than test..nothing personal nixon...but to arrive at the conclusion s you have you have to post up
more empirical data supporting your chart..not to shred as I believe your intent was good and most of the ranking s right on...
Back to the golden rule of we are all differant and react on an individual basis to these compounds...

 

[aerosmith]

That list is completely wrong and useless.

 

[safety-man]

i think the chart is decent. some of the ratings are off like tren being too low as mentioned and primo looks a little high in my opinion. but it does give a fundamentally acurate depiction of risk vs reward / gains vs sides. as long as people know this is not a chart to start picking through for a first cycle and realize that theres more research involved then this its not that bad imo.

 

[nixon0808]

You rang? Consensus would dictate the corrigendum regarding this chart. The grouping of prop, cypionate, enanthate, Propionate, and Suspension as a single entity is injudicious to say the least. Obviously the ester size adds weight to the testosterone molecule. With 100mg enanthate only 76mg are actual testosterone. Versus suspension's 100% testosterone purity. A lack of effects related to body composition changes is lacking. This chart serves only as a testament to a profound lack of understanding regarding compounds. I surmise an error in data points. Please post your data points or PM them to me please.

I laud your attempt, however those who do not have a full grasp of the intricacies involved in individual compounds should not relay potentially damaging information to the community.

I suppose I could stand around here for days picking apart this chart, with regards to lack of ester differentiation, anadrol being rated stronger then trenbenolone, the lack of effects on body composition etc., but I don't think you deserve flaming. Your intentions were good, however, this impulsion has made you lose credibility.

Mr Humdiddy Im going to try and take it easy on you here. You obviously didnt read my post entirely or well enough. With AAS, any one individuals experience with a particular compound can vary greatly from person to person. Am I trying to create a chart that you scroll down, look at the numbers and then base a cycle off those numbers?! Hell to the no!! It is extrememly more comlicated than that. I created this chart for something fun we could look at and discuss.

You cannot quantify(put in numbers) androgens in the way you can a lot of things, I know that, but if you had to this chart is about as damn close as your going to get.

And "a profound lack of understanding regarding compounds"? You make me laugh. Ive got a challenge for ya. On a 10 points scale take anyone of my numbers that you think is at least 3 or 4 points off from what you think it is and get back to me. Thats right you won't find one.

As I stated before, defferent compounds effect everyone is extremely different ways, so just taking a look at the chart to decide a cycle is not advisable at all. However it gives someone a starting point to their research. Ya see now smart guy?

 

[nixon0808]

i think the chart is decent. some of the ratings are off like tren being too low as mentioned and primo looks a little high in my opinion. but it does give a fundamentally acurate depiction of risk vs reward / gains vs sides. as long as people know this is not a chart to start picking through for a first cycle and realize that theres more research involved then this its not that bad imo.

THANK YOU SAFETY MAN, thats the point im trying to get across!!! A vast amount of reasearch is needed before even thinking about diving into AAS, not simply looking at a chart. Its just a chart.

Nixon