so does bb help with melting compounds, or just help make it hold
BB is a cosolvent. Also called Benzyl Benzoate. Some compounds that suspend easily in oil do not need BB to make them suspend. However, i use BB when making my test E. I think it makes the solution more stable in a variety of temperatures. Thats just me.
What % do you use of bb when brewing test e? 15-18%?
really test e needs no bb ,however my buddy uses 10%bb hell even in eq which is liquid at room temp, and test e melts at about 96 degrees f
Ive heard that it can be useful in test e if living in colder climates, will it do any harm using it? Will it make injections more painful?
Helps thin it too....
there is a big debate on carbolic acid attached to raw Test E powder from china causing the pain....I proved that there is in fact phenol (carbolic acid) on my Test E bc it is soluble in water but he hormone is not so I put it in water then drained and tested for the presence of phenol....but the process was so aggravating that its just not worth messing with....at least for me.
Benzyl Alcohol (BA) is used to increase the lipid solubility of esterfied compounds and to prevent bacteria growth in the oil. Most UGL's use excess BA or only BA as the co-solvent, due to it's modest price. Unfortunately, it can cause the destruction of cells and significant localised pain and inflammation. The discomfort is characterised by fairly rapid onset of a painful, red, swollen area.
The shorter an ester, the less solubility is has in oil. This necessitates higher concentrations of BA to prevent the compound from 'crashing' out of solution. When the oil is injected, the BA is absorbed from the location of the oil depot. This caused the active compound to precipitate fine crystals within the muscle. The onset of this pain is often 4-12 hours after injection and is characterised by a hard, red, swelling at the injection site. To prevent this an additional co-solvent is needed, Benzyl Benzoate. BB maintains solubility of the esterfied compound past the point at which BA has been removed, preventing crystaline precipitation. Most UGL's don't add this to their compounded oils due to the higher cost. If added at approximately 20% by volume you can prevent most associated short ester pain.
Benzyl Alcohol (BA) is used to increase the lipid solubility of esterfied compounds and to prevent bacteria growth in the oil. Most UGL's use excess BA or only BA as the co-solvent, due to it's modest price. Unfortunately, it can cause the destruction of cells and significant localised pain and inflammation. The discomfort is characterised by fairly rapid onset of a painful, red, swollen area.
The shorter an ester, the less solubility is has in oil. This necessitates higher concentrations of BA to prevent the compound from 'crashing' out of solution. When the oil is injected, the BA is absorbed from the location of the oil depot. This caused the active compound to precipitate fine crystals within the muscle. The onset of this pain is often 4-12 hours after injection and is characterised by a hard, red, swelling at the injection site. To prevent this an additional co-solvent is needed, Benzyl Benzoate. BB maintains solubility of the esterfied compound past the point at which BA has been removed, preventing crystaline precipitation. Most UGL's don't add this to their compounded oils due to the higher cost. If added at approximately 20% by volume you can prevent most associated short ester pain.
Hey James,
When you said the process was aggravating, are you referring to the testing for the presence of phenol or the mixing of Test E with water and draining it?
Also, was the Test E pain free after you drained it?
Process of removing water from the hormone was the aggravating part. Not to mention that although my water did test positive for the presence of phenol after draining it off of my Test E but not before leaving me to believe that I had removed all phenol from my Test E...the rats still got PIP. I almost never have this problem with Test E unless its over 300mg/ml. I also agree with Hiney that BB in the 20-25% range helps most PIP ....but not all.
DrHiney,
I agree with what you said about BA and that it can cause injection pain, because I have used UGL gears that had BA, and I experienced excruciating pain every time I use them. In addition, I have read a research article on BA and how it caused damage to muscles in rats.