Injecting into vein?

[Cobra Strike]

Damn, I havent inject in ass in awhile I cant turn anymore, always thigh now. And youll feel a pain while pinning if your not at right area and if you use 1in or more "I" seem to think you pass all veins and are deep into muscle tissue.

all the veins in your ass on down where your asshole is...they run up the insides of you legs...so the top of your ass should be gravy!!!

and why dont you just tell you cousins if they want there shit they are gonna have to stick ya first lol

 

[gymrat27]

all the veins in your ass on down where your asshole is...they run up the insides of you legs...so the top of your ass should be gravy!!!

and why dont you just tell you cousins if they want there shit they are gonna have to stick ya first lol

lol hell ya I ought to, lil effers haha

 

[rebel boy]

ok so i been doin andropen 275 2 ml a week for about a month now and ive been fluctuation from a 5 lbs gain to 10 lbs. my goal is a 20 lbs or 30 lbs if posible. is there a reason im not gainin weight? and on tonights injection i forgot to asperate and when i pulled it out a good stream of blood came out but i fell no diferent no strong taste or caughin. should i be wored?

 

[thatotherguy]

I hit a vein in my delt and felt light headed though. Might be because I might of been a little freaked out. Pushed a little in. I hate feeling the pin slice through the vein knowing what is going to happen. I repinned in the other arm though.

 

[powerhouse76]

alright im running some tren and masterone with some prop and ive been injecting in my ass cheek and everytime i inject ive been gettin the large hard lumps under my skin that itch like a mother fucker any idea whats goin on??

 

[timbo357]

most likely, you will be OK, after you get lighted, your heart starts pounding, and you think your world is comeing to an end.

yup

 

[Yes]

what are the chances of hitting a vein when pinning in your ass? ive never pinned myself before and after reading this, im pretty nervous now. lol.

Chances of hitting a vein in your glute are slim as most of the veins are near the surface... I've never hit a vein anywhere.

Blood that comes aout after an injection is part oil mixed with the surface blood. I found that the more you pin one spot the more blood leaks out for some reason. I think it has to do with scar tissue.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Cobra, what happens if you aspirate and you get bubbles but after you inject and pull out the needle it bleeds.

I guess basically what i want to know is, what is the worst that can happen if i inject straight into the vein one day by mistake.

it just means that you went through a vein or a venule....no biggie. If you inject into a vein your gonna know it. You wont die but you will feel really shitty for a day....

 

[MeatHead96]

Well first off you would prob fall to the grond and maybe lose consciousness. 2nd air will kill you, not sure of the amount though. And it would be one painful injection, people shoot with 29g slin pins into there viens, oil cant pass through that small size. The smallest I would imagine being 25g which would be horrible pain going in. Plus I dont see any benifets of it going into your vein. It doesnt become more potent and the time it takes to kick in depends on the ester of it. If you shot ethenate it would still take a while to feel it.

This is not true. You certainly can inject less than 1ml oil through a 29g slin pin. It flows through just fine every time for me. When you have a much smaller barrel, more pressure pushes the oil through.

 

[hotrod999]

Wow guys now Im realy 'shitting myself' as we say in the UK - Ive used orals for 10 years with good results in regional power lifting but as 45 approaches a guy i compete with reccomended running test ethinate and some decca, ive got it and the pins, and the juice but after some of these horror stories here im pretty freaked.

It will be my first time injection, can it actually "Kill you" if you pump it all into a vien ? I will aspirate for certain and wont take any risks, but As Im doing it myself with no one around the safest place seems to be my butt, but how can I possibly see to aspirate if im doing it myself ??

Another thing is I'll be doing it myself so is the thigh better ??

The Test Ethinate and decca I have is 'oil based' (correct me if Im wrong), so I realy wanna minimise hitting a vien, if I aspirate, how far BACK should i pull the plunger?

If ive clipped a vien then aspirate will it appear in the barrel ? or the needle ?

Please any experiences or advice most welcome from you guys on this superb board!!

 

[Jimmy101]

If air bubbles in the syringe killed....... all junkies would be dead!!! Well certinly something you wish to avoid. Air bubbles killing people is something hollywood came up with!!! Think I am wrong ask any doc. or nurse!!!

 

[TWilk]

Everyone that is freaking out about a little air in the syringe is overreacting. Your heart has a volume of roughly 100mL. Like Cobra already stated it'll take a large amount to do serious injury or death. Just try to as much air out as you can(its only going to cause a little pain if at all) and make sure you aspirate.

 

[Koi666]

I know this is an old thread, but here's something I found that some here may find interesting. It basically says that there's no conclusive evidence that aspirating while injecting IM is actually necessary. One has the option of doing so however, for large molecule medications (I would assume that oils fall into this category).

On the other hand, I definitely don't want to experience the "thinking you're gonna die" feeling that some people here have had. Anyway, here's the study:

Source: http://www.stti.iupui.edu/pp07/vancouver09/41810.Crawford, Cecelia L.-F 10.pdf

Excerpts:

Aspiration may not be a reliable indicator of correct needle placement(11)

Aspiration during subcutaneous injection is not necessary(2,7,8,11,14)

There is no reported evidence that aspiration with or without blood return (8,11)
- confirms needle placement
- eliminates the possibility of an intramuscular injection into a non-subcutaneous blood vessel

Fears of adverse reactions following non-aspiration of intramuscular injections mainly center on intra-arterial injection of penicillin and other large molecule medications(4,6,9,10,13)

Most nurses do not follow slow aspiration guidelines and perform the procedure too quickly for it to be effective(5)

Ten Second Rule:
- Slow aspiration (5-10 seconds)
- Slow injection (5-10 seconds)
- Slow withdrawal, no rubbing (How many nurses do this?)

Use of jet injection for delivery of vaccines and immunizations does not involve the aspiration technique(1)

Aspiration is not indicated for SC injections of vaccines, immunizations and insulin(2,8)

Aspiration is not indicated for IM injections of vaccines and immunizations(2,5)

Aspiration maybe indicated for IM injections of large molecule medications, such as penicillin(4,10,13)

Until a standard can be determined, injection techniques must be individualized to the patient, the equipment, and the medication being administered in order to decrease the risk of incorrect needle placement(3,11,13,14,15)

CareAlthough the practice of aspiration is advocated by some experts, the procedure is not required because no large blood vessels exist at the recommended injection sites(3,8,15)

Organizations which state aspiration is not necessary for immunizations & vaccines are(1,3,15):
- Centers for Disease Control (CDC)
- Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
- Department of Health Services (DHS)
- American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP)
- U.K. Department of Health (DoH)
- World Health Organization (WHO)

References:

1. Atkinson, W. L., Pickering, L. K., Schwartz, B., Weniger, B. G., Iskander, J. K., & Watson, J. C. (2002). General Recommendations on Immunization: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP). Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 51, RR2. 1-33.2. Chiodini, J. (2001). Best practice in vaccine administration. Nursing Standard, 16(7), 35-38. 3. Diggle, L. (2007). Injection technique for immunization. Practice Nurse, 33(1), 34-37.4. Gammel, J. A. (1927). Arterial embolism: an unusual complication following the intramuscular administration of bismuth. Journal of the American Medical Association, 88, 998-1000.5. Ipp, M., Taddio, A., Sam, J., Goldbach, M., & Parkin, P. C. (2007). Vaccine related pain: randomized controlled trial of two injection technique Archives of Disease in Childhood,92,1105-1108.
6. Li, J.T., Lockey, R. F., Bernstein, I. L., Portnoy, J. M., & Nicklas, R. A. (2003). Allergen immunotherapy: A practice parameter. Annuals of Allergy, Asthma, & Immunology, 1-40.
7. Livermore, P. (2003). Teaching home administration of sub-cutaneous methotrexate. Paediatric Nursing, 15(3), 28-32.
8. Middleton, D. B., Zimmerman, R. K., & Mitchell, K. B. (2003). Vaccine schedules and procedures, 2003. The Journal of Family Practice, 52(1), S36-S46.
9. Nicoli, L. H., & Hesby, A. (2002). Intramuscular injection: An integrative research review and guidelines for evidence-based practice. Applied Nursing Research,16(2), 149-162.
10. Ozel, A., Yavuz, H., & Erkul, I. (1995). Gangrene after penicillin injection: A case report. The Turkish Journal of Pediatrics, 37(1), 567-71.
11. Peragallo-Dittko, V. (1995). Aspiration of the subcutaneous insulin injection: Clinical evaluation of needle size and amount of subcutaneous fat. The Diabetes Educator, 21(4), 291-296.
12. Roger, M. A., & King, L. (2000). Drawing up and administering intramuscular injections: A review of the literature. Journal of Advanced Nursing, 31(3), 574-582. 13. Talbert, J. L., Haslam, R. H. & Haller, J. A. (1967). Gangrene of the foot following intramuscular injection in the lateral thigh: A case report with recommendations for prevention. The Journal of Pediatrics, 70(1), 110-114. 14. Workman, B. (1999). Safe injection techniques. Nursing Standard, 13 (39), 47-53. 15. World Health Organization (2004). Immunization in Practice, Module 6: Holding an immunization session. Immunization in Practice: A practical resource guide for health workers ***8211;2004 update,1-29. 16. Center for Nursing History at Misericordia University: http://www.misericordia.edu17. Levels of Evidence, Canadian Medical Association & Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (2001). Available at:http://www.cebm.net/index18. Melnyk, B. M., & Fineout-Overholt, E. (2005). Evidence-Based Practice in Nursing & Healthcare: A Guide to Best Practice. Philadelphia: Lippincott, Williams & Wilkins

 

[quib]

I've nicked or passed through a vein a few times. I instantly broke into a coughing fit for about two minutes in the worst case. I can definitely feel it in my lungs. I could also taste it which was not too pleasant, and my hearing was muffled for a few seconds. I'm certainly not a doctor but my sense is that the feeling in my lungs is the result of oils passing through the alvioli which is where the oxygen/carbondioxide exchange takes place. I am also mildly asthematic which may make my reaction slightly abnormal.

 

[ErectusMaximus]

I know this is an old thread, but here's something I found that some here may find interesting. It basically says that there's no conclusive evidence that aspirating while injecting IM is actually necessary. One has the option of doing so however, for large molecule medications (I would assume that oils fall into this category).

On the other hand, I definitely don't want to experience the "thinking you're gonna die" feeling that some people here have had. Anyway, here's the study:

Source: stti.iupui.edu/pp07/vancouver09/41810.Crawford,%20Cecelia%20L.-F%2010.pdf

Excerpts:

Aspiration may not be a reliable indicator of correct needle placement(11)

Aspiration during subcutaneous injection is not necessary(2,7,8,11,14)

There is no reported evidence that aspiration with or without blood return (8,11)
- confirms needle placement
- eliminates the possibility of an intramuscular injection into a non-subcutaneous blood vessel

Fears of adverse reactions following non-aspiration of intramuscular injections mainly center on intra-arterial injection of penicillin and other large molecule medications(4,6,9,10,13)

Most nurses do not follow slow aspiration guidelines and perform the procedure too quickly for it to be effective(5)

Ten Second Rule:
- Slow aspiration (5-10 seconds)
- Slow injection (5-10 seconds)
- Slow withdrawal, no rubbing (How many nurses do this?)

Use of jet injection for delivery of vaccines and immunizations does not involve the aspiration technique(1)

Aspiration is not indicated for SC injections of vaccines, immunizations and insulin(2,8)

Aspiration is not indicated for IM injections of vaccines and immunizations(2,5)

Aspiration maybe indicated for IM injections of large molecule medications, such as penicillin(4,10,13)

Until a standard can be determined, injection techniques must be individualized to the patient, the equipment, and the medication being administered in order to decrease the risk of incorrect needle placement(3,11,13,14,15)

CareAlthough the practice of aspiration is advocated by some experts, the procedure is not required because no large blood vessels exist at the recommended injection sites(3,8,15)

Organizations which state aspiration is not necessary for immunizations & vaccines are(1,3,15):
- Centers for Disease Control (CDC)
- Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
- Department of Health Services (DHS)
- American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP)
- U.K. Department of Health (DoH)
- World Health Organization (WHO)

References:

1. Atkinson, W. L., Pickering, L. K., Schwartz, B., Weniger, B. G., Iskander, J. K., & Watson, J. C. (2002). General Recommendations on Immunization: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP). Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 51, RR2. 1-33.2. Chiodini, J. (2001). Best practice in vaccine administration. Nursing Standard, 16(7), 35-38. 3. Diggle, L. (2007). Injection technique for immunization. Practice Nurse, 33(1), 34-37.4. Gammel, J. A. (1927). Arterial embolism: an unusual complication following the intramuscular administration of bismuth. Journal of the American Medical Association, 88, 998-1000.5. Ipp, M., Taddio, A., Sam, J., Goldbach, M., & Parkin, P. C. (2007). Vaccine related pain: randomized controlled trial of two injection technique Archives of Disease in Childhood,92,1105-1108.
6. Li, J.T., Lockey, R. F., Bernstein, I. L., Portnoy, J. M., & Nicklas, R. A. (2003). Allergen immunotherapy: A practice parameter. Annuals of Allergy, Asthma, & Immunology, 1-40.
7. Livermore, P. (2003). Teaching home administration of sub-cutaneous methotrexate. Paediatric Nursing, 15(3), 28-32.
8. Middleton, D. B., Zimmerman, R. K., & Mitchell, K. B. (2003). Vaccine schedules and procedures, 2003. The Journal of Family Practice, 52(1), S36-S46.
9. Nicoli, L. H., & Hesby, A. (2002). Intramuscular injection: An integrative research review and guidelines for evidence-based practice. Applied Nursing Research,16(2), 149-162.
10. Ozel, A., Yavuz, H., & Erkul, I. (1995). Gangrene after penicillin injection: A case report. The Turkish Journal of Pediatrics, 37(1), 567-71.
11. Peragallo-Dittko, V. (1995). Aspiration of the subcutaneous insulin injection: Clinical evaluation of needle size and amount of subcutaneous fat. The Diabetes Educator, 21(4), 291-296.
12. Roger, M. A., & King, L. (2000). Drawing up and administering intramuscular injections: A review of the literature. Journal of Advanced Nursing, 31(3), 574-582. 13. Talbert, J. L., Haslam, R. H. & Haller, J. A. (1967). Gangrene of the foot following intramuscular injection in the lateral thigh: A case report with recommendations for prevention. The Journal of Pediatrics, 70(1), 110-114. 14. Workman, B. (1999). Safe injection techniques. Nursing Standard, 13 (39), 47-53. 15. World Health Organization (2004). Immunization in Practice, Module 6: Holding an immunization session. Immunization in Practice: A practical resource guide for health workers ***8211;2004 update,1-29. 16. Center for Nursing History at Misericordia University: misericordia.edu17. Levels of Evidence, Canadian Medical Association & Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (2001). Available at:cebm.net/index18. Melnyk, B. M., & Fineout-Overholt, E. (2005). Evidence-Based Practice in Nursing & Healthcare: A Guide to Best Practice. Philadelphia: Lippincott, Williams & Wilkins

Garbage. Here's something to think about.... Shooting into a vein bypasses ALL natural defences your body has in place. I know your not saying to shoot veins and all that but always aspirate. No research needed come on man

 

[Koi666]

Garbage. Here's something to think about.... Shooting into a vein bypasses ALL natural defences your body has in place. I know your not saying to shoot veins and all that but always aspirate. No research needed come on man

Oh, I do. I just found the conflicting anecdotal data and the results of an actual bona fide study interesting. Maybe the whole thing's overrated and that only a very small fraction will actually experience the reactions some of the folks here did. But hey, better safe than sorry right?

Maybe I'll go ahead and use one of those injection gun things. Less hassle

 

[Colbert]

always make sure you aspirate before you push it in...if you get bubbles your golden...if you get blood either push the needle deeper or pull it back a lil (i would go deeper)..then aspirate again and if you get bubbles your good. Even if your syringe fills up with blood you can still aspirate and see bubbles so dont waste your gear over that. I aspirate 3 to 4 times with every inject just to make sure because the needle moves a little bit during the push and a little bit is all it takes to slip into a vein..but again...the chances are minimal

Amazing info! Now I always have very little bottles in my syringe and some of them just don't want to come the fuck out so what should I do then? Just inject? I know for subQ shouldn't matter but for IM...what then?

 

[Koi666]

Amazing info! Now I always have very little bottles in my syringe and some of them just don't want to come the fuck out so what should I do then? Just inject? I know for subQ shouldn't matter but for IM...what then?

There are bottles in your syringes bro? You mean bubbles right?

 

[ErectusMaximus]

Yeah better safe than sorry for sure bro

 

[UserAt204]

Ok we need to stop with all the "it's dangerous stuff". This is an old thread and needs to be put to rest.

Stop worrying about IM injections. Aspirate means just flicking the plunger not actually pulling back on it. Air will not hurt. I leave .1-.4 ml air every time I pin to make sure all oil gets pushed in. If some oil gets into a vein it will instantly make you feel like coughing and usually you can taste it. Sucks but no big deal.

Listen people use drugs everyday and nurses etc give shots every day. Have you ever heard of someone dying because someone gave them the shot wrong? I doubt it and don't think every nurse that has given you an injection was so highly skilled. I've done hundreds and hundreds of injections and may get a little blood now and again or a lot of blood or blood spraying out. Shit happens but it won't harm you in any way. If you somehow find a way to inject into a main artery you are a moron who should not be doing this. There are multiple sites that show you how and where to inject. Pick a place and deal with it.

This is not difficult so let's stop making it difficult and scary. You are injecting into muscle groups not your neck or inner thigh. You could train a monkey to give injections. Little children give themselves insulin shots, do you really think they fully understand everything that's going on with that inject? If you hit or nick a vein it won't make much difference.

When aspirating you will likely see a bubble come in the syringe, that's fine or you may see nothing and that is fine too. If the syringe fills with blood then it's a spot you don't want to be in. Even if you see a little blood then simply move the needle a little. If blood pours into the syringe, simply pull it out and move to a different spot and inject the oil and blood. It's yours and is no problem. Don't leave it in there for 20 minutes then come back and inject but use your brains. It's not complicated and I've never in my life heard of someone being injured or dying from an injection and every person I've ever met has had some type of injection.