Let's cut the bullshit and admit that Trenbolone > everything else

[4GKenZy]

On Tren, you can literally have a shit diet and still see insane progress in the gym.

My friend is currently in a 300 calorie defect and his lifts are increasing across the board. He's getting leaner and fuller at the same exact time. He's only running 500mg a week.

Seriously, anyone who says "ohh you need good diet and training for AAS to work" clearly has never tried Tren. My mate is just going full yolo on junkfood. He sometimes half-asses it in the gym, too.
Tren. What a compound.

 

[ELicit23]

Lol wut? Is he even eating ENOUGH junk food? What body fat percent did he start at? Was he an athlete before? Does he have a good base? He's on a deficit... There's a dude that ate mcdonalds for months on a deficit and still lost weight. Sure, the Tren effects are being seen, getting leaner (duh on a deficit) and fuller (duh water from junk sodium), but how healthy is he really? What's his cholesterol looking like? How long until he stalls cuz Cheetos has no micronutrient value? Wanna put it to the test and eat at a 1000 calorie surplus on junk only? Let's see how lean he stays and how he feels... Then let's really see if diet doesn't have much affect while on compounds.

I was on 0 carbs and a deficit for months and my lifts went up... I could've eaten all my fat and protein from pork and shit and still made progress.

 

[Roush]

thats because Tren is extremely anabolic and has awesome nutrient partitioning characteristics.. yes, your diet can be shit and you "can" still grow and make gains on tren. thats the design/purpose of tren.

this is why tren was invented for ranchers. When you take a 900 pound cattle and load it up and ship it out to be slaughtered and the rancher gets paid, yet the cattle by time it arrived was only 820 pounds (loosing weight through the transport process) the rancher just lost $ because the cattle lost weight.
well, inject the cattle with tren .. now when the 900 pound cow is shipped to the slaughter house, instead of losing weight and showing up depleted, because of nutrient partitioning of the tren the cow will show up weighing a healthy 940 pounds (without requiring additional $ for feed). this increases profit margins

 

[4GKenZy]

Lol wut? Is he even eating ENOUGH junk food? What body fat percent did he start at? Was he an athlete before? Does he have a good base? He's on a deficit... There's a dude that ate mcdonalds for months on a deficit and still lost weight. Sure, the Tren effects are being seen, getting leaner (duh on a deficit) and fuller (duh water from junk sodium), but how healthy is he really? What's his cholesterol looking like? How long until he stalls cuz Cheetos has no micronutrient value? Wanna put it to the test and eat at a 1000 calorie surplus on junk only? Let's see how lean he stays and how he feels... Then let's really see if diet doesn't have much affect while on compounds.

I was on 0 carbs and a deficit for months and my lifts went up... I could've eaten all my fat and protein from pork and shit and still made progress.

500mg of tren isn't even that bad for your lipids. He was already a lean individual who is at/above his natural limit.

Tren has the power to stop fat creation from excess carbohydrates. You can literally eat 2000 calories over maintenance and not gain any fat at all, as long as it's carbs. But what's ridiculous is that he's at a defecit and still making incredibly stupid strength gains on all of his lifts.

 

[ELicit23]

500mg of tren isn't even that bad for your lipids. He was already a lean individual who is at/above his natural limit.

Tren has the power to stop fat creation from excess carbohydrates. You can literally eat 2000 calories over maintenance and not gain any fat at all, as long as it's carbs. But what's ridiculous is that he's at a defecit and still making incredibly stupid strength gains on all of his lifts.

Not talking about Tren and lipids I'm talking overall health based on diet. And of course if you're lean you can get away with more. I'm staying lean on a big surplus, before when I started off at higher BF I would just look AND actually gain more fat on compounds even at Tren. Now I started bulking with Tren at single digits and I'm yet to see my belly grow as I did before. It depends when you start and experience...

 

[3J]

there is nutrition and then there is optimal nutrition...

which one do you think your friend is running right now??

if hes doing good eating shit, i wonder how he would do eating a balanced diet geared towards his goals...

but hey, what do i know its not like i do this for a living right??

 

[Teutonic]

500mg of tren isn't even that bad for your lipids. He was already a lean individual who is at/above his natural limit.

Tren has the power to stop fat creation from excess carbohydrates. You can literally eat 2000 calories over maintenance and not gain any fat at all, as long as it's carbs. But what's ridiculous is that he's at a defecit and still making incredibly stupid strength gains on all of his lifts.

I m sorry. I did not see where your doctorate was posted ?

When I was under 30 I could live off fast food and be abbed in a week or two NO PROBLEM. I think ur NOT factoring in age and genetics laddie...

I m running 150 mg of tren --- 50 m w f with trt x 2.

I m 52.

Post a pic or chill on touting 500 mg s as a no biggie cuz u sound like your very young.


Avi taken less than a month ago. 206...I m 203 right NOW.

 

[4GKenZy]

there is nutrition and then there is optimal nutrition...

which one do you think your friend is running right now??

if hes doing good eating shit, i wonder how he would do eating a balanced diet geared towards his goals...

but hey, what do i know its not like i do this for a living right??

Yeah I agree, he's not making efficient use of the gear.

 

[Teutonic]

GENETICS . then---
Nutrition training exercising what ever then resting and re coup AND gear to enhance achievement of said goal in a reasonable time frame..

 

[3J]

its nice having you back T... much love

GENETICS . then---
Nutrition training exercising what ever then resting and re coup AND gear to enhance achievement of said goal in a reasonable time frame..

 

[Milton]

OP, let us know how it goes with you, and your friend.

 

[Teutonic]

its nice having you back T... much love

Past 6-8 month s bent me hard JJJ. I m talking B A D son...17k 14 nights in the can. At 52....but GENTICLY being pliable I did not brak but twas a close run thing for 6 weeks. I WAS able to pull myself out....again. I ll take an ass whooping x3 over what a 105 pd woman can do to you and cost you.

Any day.

My son, the gym..Milton, HW --pulled me back to R E A L I T Y. Always s has..alway s will...never knew a cyber buddie s love and komaradeship could help so...

These yung un s want it now...u lose as fast as u gain if u rush in ..slow da pace win the race.

Is dialysis free on socialized med, OP ? May want to sort that, savvy ?

 

[3J]

lol

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Total bullshit. If you don't put the nutrience into your body it will be forced to recomposition your body by using what it can get from the fat deposits. It's not optimal. It's just stupid and careless to say otherwise. Some skinny kid with crap nutrition is going to see his muscles change while on but won't gain much and will loss most.

Tren with proper nutrition and a diet tuned to your goal is a winner for sure. Some times you want to limit food to force the cut. Tren is just a instrument. Proper diet every time tuned for your goals to Win every time.

 

[3J]

Total bullshit. If you don't put the nutrience into your body it will be forced to recomposition your body by using what it can get from the fat deposits. It's not optimal. It's just stupid and careless to say otherwise. Some skinny kid with crap nutrition is going to see his muscles change while on but won't gain much and will loos most.

Tren with proper nutrition and a diet tuned to you goal is a winner for sure. Some times you want to limit food to force the cut. Tren is just a instrument. Proper diet every time tuned for your goals to Winn every time.

you mean to say tren doesn't break the laws of physics???? how could this be???

 

[Roush]

wasn't there a study posted on this forum, where untrained individuals took testosterone for 6+ months and did NOT diet or exercise and still gained 7 pounds of muscle; I'd imagine that Tren being much more anabolic then test would have an even more profound effect then what was carried out in that study.

diet and training are of utmost importance, but lets not down play how 'powerful' anabolics can be. . I would not be the 45 pounds heavier that I am now, then before ever starting AAS if it were not for the AAS , no amount of diet or training could have accomplished that (at least for me, other genetics freaks, sure)

 

[3J]

wasn't there a study posted on this forum, where untrained individuals took testosterone for 6+ months and did NOT diet or exercise and still gained 7 pounds of muscle; I'd imagine that Tren being much more anabolic then test would have an even more profound effect then what was carried out in that study.

diet and training are of utmost importance, but lets not down play how 'powerful' anabolics can be. . I would not be the 45 pounds heavier that I am now, then before ever starting AAS if it were not for the AAS , no amount of diet or training could have accomplished that (at least for me, other genetics freaks, sure)

i think you have to understand how exactly steroids affect muscle hypertrophy to understand whats being said..

steroids dont just help you gain new muscle, they keep you from losing muscle that is already there as well...

so yes, there is an increase in satellite cells, igf, and the ability to repair muscle

but the body, when not on steroids, naturally eats away at muscle... when youre on gear and nitrogen retention is increased, this process is inhibited..

so youre eating 2000 calories while on gear and not doing any exercise and you gain 7lbs of muscle, right? that is just because youre not losing muscle like you usually would and the weight is stacking up thanks to that..

what happens when you come off gear though??? your 2000 calorie intake and sedentary lifestyle going to support that muscle???

it'll waste away.. which goes back to what i was saying.. you cannot out train a bad diet.. you cannot out run a bad diet with steroids..

in the end, its costing you something or another

 

[luckypaul]

Diet is everything, without it nothing happens. There is no magic here. Its all about training, recovery, gear and diet. You have to have them all. Man I have brewed tren for years. It's always been cheap for me. To say that a sound diet is not important when using tren in a stack is false.

 

[soldier74]

I m sorry. I did not see where your doctorate was posted ?

When I was under 30 I could live off fast food and be abbed in a week or two NO PROBLEM. I think ur NOT factoring in age and genetics laddie...

I m running 150 mg of tren --- 50 m w f with trt x 2.

I m 52.

Post a pic or chill on touting 500 mg s as a no biggie cuz u sound like your very young.


Avi taken less than a month ago. 206...I m 203 right NOW.

Agreed he soounds like a young un who dont know much of shit yet...\
...Stick around OP and learn how to do it right.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

500mg of tren isn't even that bad for your lipids. He was already a lean individual who is at/above his natural limit.

Tren has the power to stop fat creation from excess carbohydrates. You can literally eat 2000 calories over maintenance and not gain any fat at all, as long as it's carbs. But what's ridiculous is that he's at a defecit and still making incredibly stupid strength gains on all of his lifts.

Bs