DEA Bust Powermedica

[tee]

I'm all about free will without having some authoritative body dictating what you can and can't take, wheather it be tobacco, hormones, narcotics, bubble gum, whatever. I'm with you 100% on that but Swale is pointing out the fact that there are outfits out there masking themselves as medical professionals whose loan objective is money while being disguised as patient care.

I favor decriminilization of all drugs and having the option of going to a true medical professional such as Swale. But until then let's call a spade a spade.

I dont disagree with you. Im sure there are some clinics out there that are unethical. The bottom line for all of them though is to make money. Without money, they will all go broke. I do not believe that because a clinic has a web page, or because I didnt get a rectal probe done, or because a nurse conducted my physical for her doctor, that my clinic is bad and Ill be arrested for an illegal script. Thats bullshit. Mranak hit it on the head when he said state laws vary by each state. They do however vary quite a bit. Courts had ruled in Florida that prescriptions over the internet are legal without a personal visit to the doctor's office. Other states have said that you need more than that to establish a doctor client relationship. To attempt to cast a clinic as unethical because they are allowed to conduct business in a different way or because they have more lax laws where they are located is also bullshit. I am in the legal profession. I am not a doctor, but I am well respected in my field as well.

The point of this thread on my part was to state that consumers of these clinics have not, and will not be charged with a crime. They have done nothing wrong. Most consumers could care less whether they get their meds from the doctor's pharmacy or their own. Perhaps some doctor likes using his own pharmacy so they don't bring as much attention to their practice since steroids have become so demonized by the press. I really could also care less about a clinic thats main goal is to make cash and doesn't concentrate as much on patient care. I'm a big boy and can care for myself. I check my blood values regularly, and get physicals on a regular basis. All I need a doctor for is to prescribe the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) since its illegal without a script. How can you condemn a person that wants to obtain a script because they went to a place like Powermedica when most guys taking Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are obtaining them from "Mr. Chong" overseas? I agree that Powermedica and clinics like them should not be allowed to do what they do, but I have no problem with a consumer that went to them, and the law doesnt either. Thats the facts.

Mranak,

You said Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are not good for my health. Please prove this as well. Thats just your opinion. I can post many articles that beg to differ with you. Taken responsibly, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are very good for your health. They can assist in fat loss, building of muscle tissue, assist to control depression, and ward off many diseases that are cause by being an "overweight slob." I never said that a blood test and appearance is the sole basis for good health. Its a part of a total picture though. THERE IS NOT ONE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT SHOWS Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO ONE'S HEALTH, OR TO HAVE CAUSED DEATH.

 

[ddog1823]

nandrolone is also used for repairing tendons and strengthening bones

 

[SWALE]

MRANAK, as always, said it pretty well.

Tee-This is true in every state in the union. Look it up for yourself if you do not believe the words of a medical professional. PA's and Nurse Practitioners can perform Physicals, but must be under the supervision of a physician. And this is only for properly established patients. BTW, taking vitals is not the same as a "physical exam". Otherwise, why on earth did I spend all those years in medical school?

And I said "malpractice", not whether it is legal or not to prescribe testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for men over the age of forty without a DRE. Read carefully before commenting, please. Remember, I am a medical professional, so am well versed in these topics. Tee, you write a lot of things which have no factual content, but state them as such. You dismiss topics which are accepted as fact by everyone who knows anything about same, yet wholeheartedly believe concepts with no basis in reality.

Look up the word "charlatan", then see if it somehow fits a doctor who just rubber stamps every script a salesman sends him, for drugs and dosages that may damage the health of the "patient", without a proper physical exam, and no follow-up labs whatsoever.

Doctors who demand their scripts filled at only one particular pharmacy are also in violation of the law. This is pure consumer protection stuff.

It is illegal for a physician to prescribe without an appropriate doctor-patient relationship in every state in this country. This is especially true of Controlled Substances. Where do you get the things you write?

I'll repeat myself: there is no such thing as a "legal prescription" for anabolic steroids. This is in absence of legitimate wasting disease, of course.

Your attempts to berate me say far more about you than they do me.

You are in no way qualified to make judgements with regard to the safety of taking steroids. However, I am. And I state that it is not possible to use ANY amount of steorids without damaging your health. I have seen small dosages of Anavar completely blow the Lipid Profile, for instance. Real patients, real labwork. The REAL question is HOW MUCH much they hurt the user, and also the comparison then is begged to other forms of entertainment, such as alcohol or fast food usage.The topic of discussion of this thread was not really about civil rights, but that is a very interesting subject no less.

Let's just ask a common sense question: will you be happy to hear that the Internet pharmacy you have been buying your steroids from has been busted, and the Authorities now have your information?

 

[bleachcola]

How can you condemn a person that wants to obtain a script because they went to a place like Powermedica when most guys taking Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are obtaining them from "Mr. Chong" overseas?

No source posting.

 

[tee]

MRANAK, as always, said it pretty well.

Tee-This is true in every state in the union. Look it up for yourself if you do not believe the words of a medical professional. PA's and Nurse Practitioners can perform Physicals, but must be under the supervision of a physician. And this is only for properly established patients. BTW, taking vitals is not the same as a "physical exam". Otherwise, why on earth did I spend all those years in medical school?

And I said "malpractice", not whether it is legal or not to prescribe testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for men over the age of forty without a DRE. Read carefully before commenting, please. Remember, I am a medical professional, so am well versed in these topics. Tee, you write a lot of things which have no factual content, but state them as such. You dismiss topics which are accepted as fact by everyone who knows anything about same, yet wholeheartedly believe concepts with no basis in reality.

Look up the word "charlatan", then see if it somehow fits a doctor who just rubber stamps every script a salesman sends him, for drugs and dosages that may damage the health of the "patient", without a proper physical exam, and no follow-up labs whatsoever.

Doctors who demand their scripts filled at only one particular pharmacy are also in violation of the law. This is pure consumer protection stuff.

It is illegal for a physician to prescribe without an appropriate doctor-patient relationship in every state in this country. This is especially true of Controlled Substances. Where do you get the things you write?

I'll repeat myself: there is no such thing as a "legal prescription" for anabolic steroids. This is in absence of legitimate wasting disease, of course.

Your attempts to berate me say far more about you than they do me.

You are in no way qualified to make judgements with regard to the safety of taking steroids. However, I am. And I state that it is not possible to use ANY amount of steorids without damaging your health. I have seen small dosages of Anavar completely blow the Lipid Profile, for instance. Real patients, real labwork. The REAL question is HOW MUCH much they hurt the user, and also the comparison then is begged to other forms of entertainment, such as alcohol or fast food usage.The topic of discussion of this thread was not really about civil rights, but that is a very interesting subject no less.

Let's just ask a common sense question: will you be happy to hear that the Internet pharmacy you have been buying your steroids from has been busted, and the Authorities now have your information?

Well, either you and MRANAK are very good friends, or he is your nurse. Either way, Im glad to see you coming around. You are changing what you said in the beginning and are now re-wording your post to basically agree with mine. Adding modifiers like a nurse "CAN" perform physicals but must be under a doctor's supervision is agreeing with my comment. Other than attempting to take several "Cheap shots," you are basically now correct. I do not need to look up the word "Charlatan." As I mentioned before, I am well respected and well versed in my field as well. The legal field to be exact. I suggest you stick to medical information, and leave the legal stuff to those that know what they are saying. I didn't want to make this thread into a "Bash" session, but I cannot ignore feeble attempts from you to discredit me without basis. I see you state "It is not possible to use ANY amount of steroids without damaging your health." As I stated before, PLEASE prove this! Post the unbiased medical study. What...there isn't one? You are merely expressing your opinion? You need to tell the readers this because unfortunately many will take what comes out of your mouth as gospel. Why not present just the facts and let them decide? Same goes with your bashing other clinics in competition with you. Weren't you banned from another board for that and released as their Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) specialist? Yes, I remember that quite well. You mention the internet pharmacy Powermedica has now been busted. The place where I, as well as many have obtained steroids in the past. Am I worried? No, not in the slightest. If you knew anything about the law, you would know it doesn't matter what clinic you get your Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) from. If they are considered a controlled substance, they must have a DEA number on them. That means that anyone with a prescription for ANY anabolic steroids is already known by the Feds. It also means I possessed a LEGAL prescription on my end. Wisen up bro!

 

[SWALE]

tee--Please reread what I have written. You continue to miss the points contained herein. In order to try to help you out, I'll go over them one more time. I am confident the others have already gotten all this.

I am also curious as to why you would place my entire post in yours as a quote. I am sure anyone who desires to can just read it in its original form.

I do not know the individual who posts under the non deplume "MRANAK", have not met him, and do not know who he is. You sound kind of paranoid. Please consider that perhaps he is just someone who knows what he is talking about--and that automatically puts him in direct opposition to you.

A nurse cannot go out into the field, and do anything more than take vitals. This is not a "physical exam" (although I am just repeating myself). Out of necessity, in a few states, Nurse PRACTITIONERS are receiving expanded privileges, usually due to critical shortages in medical care. But they still must operate under the direct supervision of a physician. That would mean the physician writing the prescription (although at these Internet pharmacies salestaff are actually the ones who illegally write the scripts) would have to hold that nurse's license, and thus obviously hold a medical license in the same state as the nurse. And are there any of the Internet pharmacies which are paying the top dollar to have NP's go out into the field? Not that I have heard of. Is any of this getting through?

Since you are such an expert in all this, then you must know that no real doctor in this country would prescribe testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to a man over the age of forty without performing a digital rectal exam. Perhaps you could explain to everyone what the phrase "Standard of Care" means?

As I have patients who have come to me from every single one of these Internet pharmacies--for me to straighten out the damage they did to them due to their sheer greed and incompetence--I know how every single one of them operate. I know what they do, the sad excuse for labs they run (and no follow-up care whatsoever), the complete absence of legal and appropriate doctor/patient relationship, etc etc etc.

How you think you can argue this stuff with a physician is beyond me. AND a physician who has worked in this very area for years now.

And you are also therefore arguing with my attorneys. Since they speciallize in this area, I think I'll rely upon their sage advice. They realy are "well respected in [their] field". LOL.

You continue with this nonsense that there is such a thing as a legal prescription for steroids. AND that you are expert in the legal field? Hmmm...

Is it your position that a terrible Lipid Profile--completely induced by even low dose "mild" steroid use--is not bad for one's health? If you cannot grasp even the most basic principles of physiology, I am not going to spend my time doing research for you. ESPECIALLY someone who is so badly trying to sound like an expert--in opposition to someone who actually is.

I do not know what you do for a living, but it is clearly not anything even remotely involved with the medical/legal/ethical aspects of the law. What you have posted is sheer nonsense. Everyone who knows anything about it has already realized that.

You are also quite ignorant in claiming these Internet charlatan clinics are "in competition" with me. That is wrong on so many levels it would take an entire page to cover it all. I think I'll not waste my time on someone who doesn't put an iota of thought, or research, into his posted opinions.

And, oh, since you are such an expert on what went on at PM, I am sure you know that they were playing games with NDC's. Do you realize that is against the law? And that they were importing Chinese GH and relabelling it. Can an expert such as yourself find anything illegal about that?

I know more about went on at PM than you ever will--and from the inside. Not that this fact will change your mind about anything. LOL.

To answer your question, I left a legitimate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Forum on another Board that I founded because they began accepting advertising (in my forum) from one of these Internet pharmacies. I set up that Forum to serve pure health and fitness--not sell steroids. Also, I could not be professionally involved anymore, nor was I willing to sell out my professional ethics. I left in an extremely gracious manner, considering the circumstances. It was the childish and disgusting subsequent actions of the owner of that Board, along with some Mods who do not care any more about their honesty and integrity than you do, which turned it into what it was. You obviously do not "remember it well", because, once again, you are completely wrong.

I think everyone has already figured out that you are just one of those guys, hiding behind a computer monitor, who is pretending to be someone you are obviously not. You have been wrong 100% of the time, literally everything you have written. Unfortunately, the Message Boards are populated with a small percentage of guys like you. I hope you have had your fun, but this is just a waste of time now.

 

[Big Dog]

I was a peace officer for 7 years and I could have cared less if you used gear even though I did not. I was more worried about the meth, crack, and heroin dealers. I have always maintained it your an adult and want to do the shit in your house then do it. But don't get kids with no choice directly involved in any way or you would feel the wrath of the Big Dog and his SWAT hounds. Shit there are officers here in Denver that still have their jobs after getting busted for buying and using gear. You can even find them in the DEA if you searched. It just is a total waste. I dont recall ever seeing a supplier of gear on the news like the coke load last night. DEA and Customs got a load worth what 90 million dollars.

 

[tee]

I was a peace officer for 7 years and I could have cared less if you used gear even though I did not. I was more worried about the meth, crack, and heroin dealers. I have always maintained it your an adult and want to do the shit in your house then do it. But don't get kids with no choice directly involved in any way or you would feel the wrath of the Big Dog and his SWAT hounds. Shit there are officers here in Denver that still have their jobs after getting busted for buying and using gear. You can even find them in the DEA if you searched. It just is a total waste. I dont recall ever seeing a supplier of gear on the news like the coke load last night. DEA and Customs got a load worth what 90 million dollars.

I couldn't agree with you more. The law tends to go after high profile cases of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users to make an example of them. Rarely do you see them charge Joe Smith that bought a personal amount for personal use. I recall a couple cases in Colorado where police officers were charged with possession of a controlled substance-AAS. In one case, the officer left the job and I believe he was cleared of the charges. The other was charged and beat the charges in a preliminary hearing. That tells you what a shit case the prosecution had if he beat it in a prelim. It sad to see our tax dollars being wasted in the pursuit of prosecuting a politically motivated, victimless crime.

 

[tee]

tee--Please reread what I have written. You continue to miss the points contained herein. In order to try to help you out, I'll go over them one more time. I am confident the others have already gotten all this.

I am also curious as to why you would place my entire post in yours as a quote. I am sure anyone who desires to can just read it in its original form.

I do not know the individual who posts under the non deplume "MRANAK", have not met him, and do not know who he is. You sound kind of paranoid. Please consider that perhaps he is just someone who knows what he is talking about--and that automatically puts him in direct opposition to you.

A nurse cannot go out into the field, and do anything more than take vitals. This is not a "physical exam" (although I am just repeating myself). Out of necessity, in a few states, Nurse PRACTITIONERS are receiving expanded privileges, usually due to critical shortages in medical care. But they still must operate under the direct supervision of a physician. That would mean the physician writing the prescription (although at these Internet pharmacies salestaff are actually the ones who illegally write the scripts) would have to hold that nurse's license, and thus obviously hold a medical license in the same state as the nurse. And are there any of the Internet pharmacies which are paying the top dollar to have NP's go out into the field? Not that I have heard of. Is any of this getting through?

Since you are such an expert in all this, then you must know that no real doctor in this country would prescribe testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to a man over the age of forty without performing a digital rectal exam. Perhaps you could explain to everyone what the phrase "Standard of Care" means?

As I have patients who have come to me from every single one of these Internet pharmacies--for me to straighten out the damage they did to them due to their sheer greed and incompetence--I know how every single one of them operate. I know what they do, the sad excuse for labs they run (and no follow-up care whatsoever), the complete absence of legal and appropriate doctor/patient relationship, etc etc etc.

How you think you can argue this stuff with a physician is beyond me. AND a physician who has worked in this very area for years now.

And you are also therefore arguing with my attorneys. Since they speciallize in this area, I think I'll rely upon their sage advice. They realy are "well respected in [their] field". LOL.

You continue with this nonsense that there is such a thing as a legal prescription for steroids. AND that you are expert in the legal field? Hmmm...

Is it your position that a terrible Lipid Profile--completely induced by even low dose "mild" steroid use--is not bad for one's health? If you cannot grasp even the most basic principles of physiology, I am not going to spend my time doing research for you. ESPECIALLY someone who is so badly trying to sound like an expert--in opposition to someone who actually is.

I do not know what you do for a living, but it is clearly not anything even remotely involved with the medical/legal/ethical aspects of the law. What you have posted is sheer nonsense. Everyone who knows anything about it has already realized that.

You are also quite ignorant in claiming these Internet charlatan clinics are "in competition" with me. That is wrong on so many levels it would take an entire page to cover it all. I think I'll not waste my time on someone who doesn't put an iota of thought, or research, into his posted opinions.

And, oh, since you are such an expert on what went on at PM, I am sure you know that they were playing games with NDC's. Do you realize that is against the law? And that they were importing Chinese GH and relabelling it. Can an expert such as yourself find anything illegal about that?

I know more about went on at PM than you ever will--and from the inside. Not that this fact will change your mind about anything. LOL.

To answer your question, I left a legitimate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Forum on another Board that I founded because they began accepting advertising (in my forum) from one of these Internet pharmacies. I set up that Forum to serve pure health and fitness--not sell steroids. Also, I could not be professionally involved anymore, nor was I willing to sell out my professional ethics. I left in an extremely gracious manner, considering the circumstances. It was the childish and disgusting subsequent actions of the owner of that Board, along with some Mods who do not care any more about their honesty and integrity than you do, which turned it into what it was. You obviously do not "remember it well", because, once again, you are completely wrong.

I think everyone has already figured out that you are just one of those guys, hiding behind a computer monitor, who is pretending to be someone you are obviously not. You have been wrong 100% of the time, literally everything you have written. Unfortunately, the Message Boards are populated with a small percentage of guys like you. I hope you have had your fun, but this is just a waste of time now.

Swale,

Thanks for the net ettiquette but its not needed. If it upsets you that I quote you, so be it. I want the readers to see the BS you spew and my rebuttal. You argue points with me that I never made. Such as a doctor patient relationship being needed to prescribe meds. I agree. You fail to realize that the doctor client relationship is different from state to state. I have told you NUMEROUS times, but you skirt the issue. As far as MRANAK being called your nurse, that is whats called a joke. Thats why there was a after the sentence...duh! Anyways, you say you are just repeating yourself when you mention "Nurse PRACTITIONERS are receiving expanded privileges, usually due to critical shortages in medical care." That is not repeating yourself, that is adding to your statement and clarifying it because you initially said they could not give a physical exam. In all honesty, I do not care. You try to argue meaningless points with me. You try to argue medical points with me as well. I do not care! All I care about is you trying to mislead board members into thinking that because they used an Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinic besides yours, they have to worry about legal trouble and so much more. Thats horseshit! As far as what I do for a living, I am a licensed lawyer that argues legal cases on a daily basis. Most of those being drug/narcotic cases. How many clients have you defended or prosecuted??? ZERO??? Thre intelligent folks here all know you are nothing more than a jealous doctor that is pissed because these other clinics are undercutting your prices and obviously giving better services to their clients. I wouldnt let you prescribe cough medicine for me!

Folks, its up you you. Listen to a medical doctor that seems to think his medical clinic is the only one that should be allowed to prescribe Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to patients, and all the others are mere charlatans that should be put out of business. He refuses to post any legitimate medical or scientific studies that show Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to be detrimental to one's health or to have caused death, but he says they do. He also prescribes AAS. Hmm, isnt that some type of oath violation? It should be! He has been removed from at least one board, if not more for his bad attitude and poor advice, yet continues to babble like a child throwing a tantrum in the corner. Or you can listen to a licensed criminal lawyer that is in court daily. I tell you that you can use any Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinic you wish within the United States and never be held criminally responsible. Even if the doctor is violating the law in some way when issuing his prescriptions, you are 100% safe! You did not do anything wrong and don’t let this clown tell you that you did. It does not matter what clinic you utilize for Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) therapy, they all have to report what they prescribe to the DEA, including Dr. John.




Like FOX news says, YOU DECIDE.

 

[SWALE]

Oh, ya, you are REALLY a lawyer. LOL.

Attorneys are taught to gather information, think critically, then present same in a cogent fashion. Here are a couple of points you have missed, "Counselor":

1). Where in here do I say I am the only one anyone should go to? Can you please find the quote?

2). I do not, nor have I EVER prescribed a steroid. Not even once. Nor would I ever (although I am beginning to treat legitimate wasting disease in HIV+ patients with higher dosages and other meds, such as Deca, that are not warranted otherwise). Tell us all: do you read anywhere in my posts where I say I do? Or in any of the roughly one million words I have posted on the Boards in the past five years? Come on, find one single example.

3). "Undercutting prices"? Ignoring, for the time being, the childishness and inappropriateness of your comments, no one in this country provides either the service I do OR at the cost I do. I am proud to bring testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to the masses, and work tirelessly to do so. You might want to actually check out their prices and compare to mine. I do not expect an apology from you--that requires integrity.

4). These Internet charlatans are not, nor have they ever, been "competition" to me. My patients want to be as healthy and happy as possible, so do not take steroids (anymore). And anyone who wants to become my patient either has to come to my office, and spend about an hour-and-a-half with me, one-on-one, or have their local physicians ask me to Consult on their care. IOW, completely legal and appropriate. They also want to avail themselves of the finest testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) available anywhere in the world; NOT the cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all, we-prescribe-whatever-you-are-willing-to-pay-for, rip-off-priced, so-called "TRT" they get from these charlatans. Instead, they want the cutting edge.

5). There are good, legit, competent testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinics all over this country (again, dispelling more of your nonsense). The simple fact is none of them practice Internet medicine. It is just not possible to. You should know all the reasons why, since you are such an expert on this stuff. LOL.

6). Appropriate doctor/patient relationship is absolutely necessary in order for a physician to prescribe ANY medication. This is true in every state in the Union. And prescriptions for Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) can NEVER be legit, in absence of legitimate wasting disease. That is because the treatment is not being prescribed for a medical indication (not actually treating anything). The point I want to make for everyone is that you must not think yourself safe because some charlatan doctor has prescibed steroids for you. The script is not legit, so you are not legally possessng them. Just some food for thought.

If this "tee" character had any idea what he is talking about, he'd be telling you the same thing. One possibility why he is not would be that he stands to profit in some way from the Internet sales of steroids. I do not know if that is true, just a possibility for posting stuff which is exaclty opposite of reality. In my experience, those who engage in Internet hormone sales are not a very bright lot.

Finally, I guess I wasted my time listening to Rick Collins, after introducing him on stage at the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference in Chicago last year, when he lectured to 3,000 physicians on this very topic. So, you know more about this than he does? Very interesting, indeed!

Gee, for a guy who "does not care", you sure have gone to extemes to try to make people think you are someone you are not. And you presume to argue with a physician who is recognized all over the world for his work? Hmmm...

I have never read anything as nonsensical from any licensed attorney in my life. You cannot even present facts in a logical, reasonable fashion. That's first year law school stuff. And what you write is so absolutely childish, clearly not the product of a trained mind. Don't you realize how you are embarrassing yourself? No matter who you really are.

IF you are a lawyer, I'll bet you--and your clients--get your asses kicked on a regular basis. You can't even post with any mental nimbleness on a Message Board, when there is no court room pressure.

You call one of the top Thought Leaders in my field "a clown"? I think you lost even more people with that one.

I'd hazard a guess you are no more than sixteen years old.

LOL.

 

[GymLift]

Finally, I think I guess I wasted that time listening to Rick Collins, after introducing him on stage at the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference in Chicago last year, when he lectured to 3,000 physicians on this very topic. So, you know more about this than he does? Very interesting, indeed!

pwned.

 

[tee]

Yes I am a real lawyer and have been one for over 17 years. I'll address your issues one at a time.

1. In this entire thread, and in many others on other boards, you continually bash other Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinics and push yours. You have said there are other legitimate clinics out there, but you have not mentioned any.

2. You prescribe the hormone testosterone, and just said you prescribe Deca. The same medication my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) doctor prescribed. Oh, I forgot, you are better than him though.

3. Your right, I won't apologize and it has nothing to do with integrity. Although I am amazed that you can even spell that word. Your prices are, and always have been, higher than most of the online clinics and other Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinics that I have seen. When they started appearing on the scene with these phenomenal prices and some not requiring a face to face visit like you do, the bashing on your end started. I don't blame you for having your beliefs that a doctor should see his patients face to face to establish a doctor client relationship, but some people dont think its needed. Until some national legislation is passed that establishes strict guidelines for what establishes a doctor/client relationship, why don't you just accept the fact that other clinics out there can and do have more leeway than you like. Your continual bashing of them on the boards is childish and immature. Thats what led to your dismissal at CEM.

4. (See item #3 above). Also, don't you think it should be up to the patient if they want to go to the so called "Cookie cutter" clinics if they want to? I also want to be as healthy and happy as possible, and I am. I have never seen you either. Isn't that just amazing???

5. I never claimed to be a medical expert, just a legal expert. You are the one that is practicing law without a license. Anyways, I have heard you say there is many other testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinics out there, but you have never named any. I guess your not a legitimate clinic either since you have a web site and legitimate clinics cannot practice internet medicine according to you.

6. You are WAY wrong on this one and are attempting to practice your law without a license again! I stated before, it varies from state to state on what constitutes a doctor client relationship. You do not have to see a doctor face to face to establish this in every state. (You obviously do in Dr. John's state or he wouldn't be so pissed that the other doctors are not having to abide by this). I said it before, and I'l say it again, ANYONE WITH A MEDICAL PRESCRIPTION FROM A LICENSED U.S. DOCTOR FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS IS 100% COVERED AND ACCORDING TO THE LAW POSSESSES A LEGAL MEDICAL PRESCRIPTION AND WILL NOT BE CONVICTED OF A CRIME.

No Swale, I do not sell AAS, nor will I ever. I do use them on occasion to assist me in maintaining muscle and keeping fit. I could care less where anyone gets their Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) from, but I'm sick and tired of you preaching the same old tune of "The sky is falling" to people on these boards. Most people on the internet boards get them illegally from overseas or a domestic source. The few in "High profile" professions that wish to obtain them legally go to Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinics to obtain LEGAL prescriptions. Because they do not go to yours doesn't make them a criminal. After seeing how childish you act, I'm sure most won't go to you!

Your relationship with Rick Collins and introducing him on stage seems to make you think you have a law degree. You don't! Rick Collins is a damn good lawyer, but he does skirt the issue somewhat on the legality of the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinics. Probably because the law is changing so drastically in that area each day and these clinics may become illegal someday because of whiney doctors such as yourself. I never said I know more than him, nor did I say I know less. Next time you see Rick, as him how many Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) patients have been criminally charged with possessing Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) with a fradulent prescription. His answer will match mine....NONE!


How do I go the extremes to make anyone think I am someone I am not? I invited you via PM to come visit me and say hello. Why not come? You can then make a public apology to the board for acting like such an ass and spewing bullshit. Top in your field huh? Your nothing more than a pompous ass that wants to make people think your the sole testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) expert on the planet. Maybe some of the 14 year old kids on these boards will fill your ego for you, but anyone with any intelligence can see right through your facade. Anytime you want to compare plastic trophies and wooden plaques, let me know. Thats seems to be the way you think a man is judged. Since I answered your questions and I wish for this crap to end, I will only repeat one of my many questions that you have continually ignored.

POST ONE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT SHOWS Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO ONE'S HEALTH, OR TO HAVE CAUSED DEATH.

You are the one that said they are not healthy for you. You are the doctor. This is your field. PROVE IT! If you need help researching, ask your parrot mranak for help!

 

[SWALE]

pwned.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Enough..........LOCKED.