Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Lift Weights?

[Miss Muscle]

shock media to scare woman and old folk to which is back by big money privatize prisons for mandatory minimal sentencing.Its all about the money and votes,winning the harts and minds of the majority voters.Some state have had a ten fold increase since the early 90s in prison population,these state like Texas and Florida that go red and have the greatest number of privatize prisons.

And its not ignorant to have a opinion on this matter its a debatable thread.

It is ignorant to scoff at others people opinions and imply they don't make sense.

And I disagree this is a witch hunt. Shock media is not what real statistics and the BBC have ever been about. If this was reported on Fox news I probably wouldn't have given a second thought. However when they showed the different prisons that have made the changes as of recently it caught my eye.

There is no election associated with the recent findings.

 

[drewbolic]

It is ignorant to scoff at others people opinions and imply they don't make sense. read that wrong,Appologies

And I disagree this is a witch hunt. Shock media is not what real statistics and the BBC have ever been about. If this was reported on Fox news I probably wouldn't have given a second thought. However when they showed the different prisons that have made the changes as of recently it caught my eye. this is true

There is no election associated with the recent findings.

in big business in the US the elections are associated with everything

 

[AWESOMENESS]

I was in prison for 17 years. Damn fucking right get rid of weights. Mosh69 you're a baby. You have no fucking idea what it is to be around guy serving sentences of 15 years or more. They sit and plan their fucking revenge. Rehabilitation my fucking ass. Lifting weights is something to do and I've heard guys describe in fucking detail what they are going to do to their enemies once they get out. Many of these fucking guys are in for murder but rape as well. You get enough of them together and they brag about it. Most of you that have been in prison time are small time and non-violent. Hang around the big boys and you will see that rehabilitation does not occur but instead prisoners get MORE violent and much worse. I'm glad I had access to weights but I'm realistic as well. I laugh at most of you thinking having "weights" is a good thing. Maybe for the guys in for less than 10 years that have a fucking chance to live a good fucking life. But you become bitter and angry the longer you are in. And what the fuck are you talking about guys aren't interested in team sports in prison Mosh. Fucking untrue and stupid. Most prisoners live for team sports being so isolated. An hour to condition the mind....fuck off son. I've been reading this forum for 2 years now and have never felt compelled to post until now. There is a reason prison is supposed to be a punishment and believe me...most guys deserve exactly what they get. Rehabalitiaton.....lolololololol.

 

[AWESOMENESS]

I don't want to offend any of the women on here but you better fucking believe that a good number of prisoners have no fucking problem with violence towards women. They look at women as a lower "class". The rapists that get caught are generally isolated. But there are a huge number or rapists that don't get caught and do get out eventually.

 

[AWESOMENESS]

Take the fucking weights out of the prisons and put them in the woman shelters so the fucking ladies will have more of a chance.

 

[AWESOMENESS]

Have you ever been to a prison?

I have both visited friends and worked in the prison system.

Weights are a good outlet for their energy. So, my answer is yes.
Please remember that the crimnal justice system is meant to be about rehabilitation.

I would say that without weights and excerise and amount of voilence would increase.

Visiting friends and working in the prison system is fuck all. You have no idea what really goes on. Don't bullshit yourself thinkign any rehab occurs or is meant to occur. You must work at the local sheriffs office with 3 cells because you can't be serious saying the amount of violence would increase. Ever been pumped out after a workout. Take that pump and give it to "crazy joe". Now multiply that by 75% of the prisoners.

 

[AWESOMENESS]

Great thread and topic!
I'm pretty open about my past because I've come so far from it, and lived through the madness and insanity of the criminal justice system and dept of corrections. 8 years all told.

I was unlucky enough to "Fall" at a young age and being a smart kid with a desire to build something positive within myself amidst the pain and suffering that surrounded me, weights and the bodybuilding lifestyle became an excellent outlet!
I fell in love with this sport in prison, I learned everything I know about health, training and nutrition in prison.
And I honestly believe having access to real weights and developing my knowledge and body behind those fences has made my life so much happier and healthier.
There's no question that bodybuilding through weight training is an extremely positive activity and lifestyle.
Better health and fitness, goal chievement, self esteem, positive well being and discipline are just a few.
Of course ure gonna have the hardened criminal, the degenerate, the ignoramous who will use his bulk and strength to intimidate and take advantage of weaker men and women.
But to say men and women are sent to prison "To be punished" is totally wrong and unfair honestly.
As I've heard many times over the years "You were sent to prison as punishment, not to be punished".
Make sense?
Until you've been there or lived vicariously through a loved one living there, you have NO IDEA how debilitating just losing every freedom we take for granted truly is.
It is a miserable, painful, excruciating existance because u are truly living among the worst element ure state has to offer.
And keep in mind a large percentage of the inmate population are non violent, drug offenders, crimes of passion (Women self defense), dui, and even treaffic offenders.
You think inmate and u see a Jacked up Ronnie Coleman with a bad attitude.
Not the reality at all.
And to toss in one last point, I'd be willing to bet almost 100% of all correctional staff and brass would vote "Yes" to this question.
They'd much rather have that population on the weight pile, achieving a basic physical goal, creating a positive effect in their miserable lives, exerting all that negative energy.
Than laying around on their bunks, or walking around the track smoking weed, drinking buck (Wine), thinking up something else negative to do.
While I was inside, the guys on the weight pile were more often than not the more laid back, mature, decent guys.
There's my .2 Sorry so long.

When I was inside the guys on the weights were not fucking decent. I don't know where you went to prison. Redneck County maybe? You're small time. And 100% of the staff would say get rid of the weights. Why the hell do you think they're doing it now? You want to gain self-confidence, get fit and have a healthy endorphin rush? Start running laps. Inmates would vote yes to weights of course. But get real bro. Even 1 innocent female being a victim of some jacked-up psycho in prison is enough of a fucking reason to get rid of weights.

 

[Miss Muscle]

Take the fucking weights out of the prisons and put them in the woman shelters so the fucking ladies will have more of a chance.

Woman shelters should have self-defense programs.

 

[AWESOMENESS]

Wow...i'm almost speachlesss.
I suppose trafficking in Marijuana is "Transgressing on the public"???
Have u any idea the perecentage of inmates in our nations prisons who are strictly drug offenders???
Do u have any knowledge of the hypocricy of our governments drug policy and the millions of pawns used to purport their schemes?


Seriously, where does this logic come from???
Does this make sense to anyone? Lol

This "logic" is the most logical thing in this fucking thread. It makes sense to people who "really" know the prison system. Fuck you're so clueless I can't believe it.

 

[AWESOMENESS]

I say give em weights. I couciled youths in Detention Centers and it was a great way for them to let off steam and get involved in a healthy lifestyle.

I'd say in Adult facilities yes as well because they know if they screw up the privelege will be taken from them.

gator

Wtf?? How to respond. Youths and adults are way different first of all. Weights for young offenders in juvenile centers....okay. I'm alright with that I guess. In these "adult" facilities however, weights are optional for almost everyone. Very few prisons use weights/gym accessibility as a privilege. They should though.

 

[getfitdoc]

It is ignorant to scoff at others people opinions and imply they don't make sense.

And I disagree this is a witch hunt. Shock media is not what real statistics and the BBC have ever been about. If this was reported on Fox news I probably wouldn't have given a second thought. However when they showed the different prisons that have made the changes as of recently it caught my eye.

There is no election associated with the recent findings.

It seems to me, that All media is "shock" media. It's sad but true. Media is a business and they need to present or in some cases "twist" stories just enough to "catch our eyes".

it's not always a bad thing, we NEED media.

I guess all the shit that goes on in the world is a shock to me.

In the USA, prisons are big business.

These companies make money when people stay in prison, they do not care if they are violent or non-violent. And that is the problem.

Statistics are pretty hard to interpret, and they can say whatever we want them to say.

I am against privatized prisons.

but your opinions are not even close to invalid, it's just a hot issue for all sides of this argument.

it is however, a great post, and for that we thank you.

 

[drewbolic]

It seems to me, that All media is "shock" media. It's sad but true. Media is a business and they need to present or in some cases "twist" stories just enough to "catch our eyes".

it's not always a bad thing, we NEED media.

I guess all the shit that goes on in the world is a shock to me.

In the USA, prisons are big business.

These companies make money when people stay in prison, they do not care if they are violent or non-violent. And that is the problem.

Statistics are pretty hard to interpret, and they can say whatever we want them to say.

I am against privatized prisons.

but your opinions are not even close to invalid, it's just a hot issue for all sides of this argument.

it is however, a great post, and for that we thank you.

Yes it must be a hot issue...I was neg reped
for a similar statement you just made

 

[jimbo79]

I had the pleasure of being on the inside for 3 months! Yes it was short time. But I ,learnt my fucking lesson! I was young and fucking stupid at that time...Was about 12 years ago. Yup fuckers ratted me out! Yup I planned revenge! And thank fucking god that I met some of the most infueincing people there in my life! Was a big wake up call listening to the stories of the guys that did 10-15 years! Only blemishes I get now are speeding tickets cuz the dumasses are to fucking slow! Sure officer I was passing him going 11okms/hr but my right foot was getting revenge! But Im all seriousness I only served short time! And I can't speak for the guys that did long stints! Life is way different for them when they get out! BABY FUCKERS AND KIDNAPPERS should suffer infucking pain!! Sickos should get the same! The only way I can truly say, if i was ever put in for murder! Touch my fucking kid and i'll ........ ! As for lifting weights! YES! But restricted to not violent and persons that are not acpected to reoffend. The moral of this story is, It's much more gratifing and fulflling to build your life up and help others along the way. Not many learn there lesson inside and that's too bad! And for some there's no hope! And flaming the unless they deserve it won't help!...peace!


jimbo.

 

[mosh69]

Wow! We sure seemed to strike a nerve with the new "Lifer" on the board.
Certainly sorry to offend u MR AWESOMENESS.
I wont resort to extreme use of profanity or slinging insults.
It's a simple debate, no sense getting ureself all worked up brother.
For ure info I did 8 years off and on 3 of which were done at Sumpter CI in Fl which is a life camp.
For 3 years I slept completely surrounded with lifers and yeah the guys I stayed tight with were stand up guys who stayed the fuck outta trouble but werent afraid to get it down.
Say what u want tough guy, I started doing time at 16 and for me, that weight pile kept me sane, kept me outta trouble and is what fuels my happiness and passions today.
Have a great day!

 

[getfitdoc]

Wow! We sure seemed to strike a nerve with the new "Lifer" on the board.
Certainly sorry to offend u MR AWESOMENESS.
I wont resort to extreme use of profanity or slinging insults.
It's a simple debate, no sense getting ureself all worked up brother.
For ure info I did 8 years off and on 3 of which were done at Sumpter CI in Fl which is a life camp.
For 3 years I slept completely surrounded with lifers and yeah the guys I stayed tight with were stand up guys who stayed the fuck outta trouble but werent afraid to get it down.
Say what u want tough guy, I started doing time at 16 and for me, that weight pile kept me sane, kept me outta trouble and is what fuels my happiness and passions today.
Have a great day!

way to stay solid bro

 

[drewbolic]

Wow! We sure seemed to strike a nerve with the new "Lifer" on the board.
Certainly sorry to offend u MR AWESOMENESS.
I wont resort to extreme use of profanity or slinging insults.
It's a simple debate, no sense getting ureself all worked up brother.
For ure info I did 8 years off and on 3 of which were done at Sumpter CI in Fl which is a life camp.
For 3 years I slept completely surrounded with lifers and yeah the guys I stayed tight with were stand up guys who stayed the fuck outta trouble but werent afraid to get it down.
Say what u want tough guy, I started doing time at 16 and for me, that weight pile kept me sane, kept me outta trouble and is what fuels my happiness and passions today.
Have a great day!

but...but crazy joe lifting all them weight....

 

[jimbo79]

way to stay solid bro

x2 bro!

 

[Massive123]

Miss Muscle- looks like you asked this question in a place where the general response was going to be pretty obvious. Ask the same question on a board of family members who've lost loved ones due to criminal acts & the responses will likely be just as biased (in the opposite direction).

Nice thread but what did you expect hehe?

 

[Jackbe]

Bull shit! the criminal justice system is not about Rehab. It is there to keep the people who are a public safety problem out of the public. They don't put you in jail until you have transgressed on the safety of the public. In most cases this means violence. So making violent criminals stronger is just stupid

Yes Bro and that is why the system fails.
It is meant to be about rehab but all that happens is we make them worse.
I walked away from that work, changed degrees, changed goals- was going fo the police force, but after seeing that fucked up system . No way in hell I want to be invovled in that shits system....no offence to cops or whoever.

The goal of the system is about rehab....we just just fail at out goal.

 

[Jackbe]

Visiting friends and working in the prison system is fuck all. You have no idea what really goes on. Don't bullshit yourself thinkign any rehab occurs or is meant to occur. You must work at the local sheriffs office with 3 cells because you can't be serious saying the amount of violence would increase. Ever been pumped out after a workout. Take that pump and give it to "crazy joe". Now multiply that by 75% of the prisoners.

And yes, I said if they had no weights to train with the level of voilence would increase....idol hands and no outlets....what do fucking think will happen!

How would you play it, chain them to a post maybe?