sus/deca cycle
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bellweather
malcontent extrovert
day 22.. 9th inj. smooth
this cycle is DONE! no changes in over 3 weeks.. im not pumping more of this shit in my body. im doing ok natty right now. i'll get some more gear this fall and keep everyone posted. thanks for the support everyone!
cheers!
-b
this cycle is DONE! no changes in over 3 weeks.. im not pumping more of this shit in my body. im doing ok natty right now. i'll get some more gear this fall and keep everyone posted. thanks for the support everyone!
cheers!
-b
TheMilkMan
New member
What are you expecting in 3 weeks on a "leaning out" cycle??? If you think that 3 weeks of Sust and 3 weeks of Deca with a restricted calorie diet are going to make you jacked, you're out of your fucking mind.
You have noticeable leaned out... take a step on the scale, has you body weight dropped? If not, why do you think that is?
Most people don't report great gains from Deca until week 6 or 7, and the long esters in the Sustaplex haven't even kicked in yet. Basically you have been running 30mg of Testosterone Acetate, 50mg of Testosterone Propionate, and 50mg of Testosterone Phenylpropionate 2x a week... So 260mg/wk of short acting esters. What are you expecting out of this in 3 weeks?
I don't even feel the effect of Enanthate/Cypionate until week 6 and Decanoate would probably take that much longer for me. Decanoate comprises nearly 33% of all the hormones in the gear.
Calling out GP and Axio as bunk in 3 weeks with a restricted calorie diet and lots of cardio is absolutely fucking ludicrous.
TheMilkMan
New member
And then you go and say shit like this...
"I lifted heavier and performed more reps this week and upped my cardio at the same time. Looks like my gear is bunk."
I'm not trying to make enemies here, but seriously???
JayC
..in the making
gotta agree with MDS here bro.. Personally, I'd give it more time and keep going. You picked two VERY long acting agents that take a VERY LONG time to kick in. Hell, for me Anavar (var) even takes several weeks before it really "kicks in" and thats an oral!! keep at it and give it more time brutha!
bellweather
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thanks for the advice everyone.. i'll take it into consideration for sure.
the short esters shouldve kicked in by now but they have not. i can stop this cycle now and finish leaning natty. the gains i made i contribute to my diet because i have put alot of time and effort into it. the gains are no different than any other gains i make during any other part of the year. if there was any single thing to report about this cycle that would credit the lab i would definitely say so. i will not use the term bunk if it offends.
mds.. be nice dude. no need for all the cursing, you made your point loud and clear, k?
cheers
-b
the short esters shouldve kicked in by now but they have not. i can stop this cycle now and finish leaning natty. the gains i made i contribute to my diet because i have put alot of time and effort into it. the gains are no different than any other gains i make during any other part of the year. if there was any single thing to report about this cycle that would credit the lab i would definitely say so. i will not use the term bunk if it offends.
mds.. be nice dude. no need for all the cursing, you made your point loud and clear, k?
cheers
-b
TheMilkMan
New member
I'm sorry if I got in your business, but I don't like it people automatically blame the lab because they are not seeing huge gains when there are many other factors involved. 3 weeks into it, yes you could and maybe should be feeling the short esters, but lets not forget they don't comprise the majority of the hormones in the solution. 260mg/wk of short esters (as I had previously calculated) should put your levels right about 1500ng/dL, which is 2x the high "normal range" value... This could cause some to feel like they were "on", but I know for a fact that I wouldn't really notice much of a difference at all. Think about it this way, that's pretty much equivalent to running 75mg of Test Prop EOD. Some people do wonderfully on those types of doses (JayC being one of them), others (like myself) not so much. You may be someone who needs more gear to feel the effects. I for one know that if I didn't run 500mg/wk of Test Enanthate for my first cycle and I opted for 300mg/wk, I would have been INCREDIBLY disappointed and probably would have called out the guy I was getting my gear from at the time.
I think you should really continue this cycle a little while longer and re-assess what you expect out of this cycle. And, I would really like you to answer the following questions...
1. What exactly are your goals for this cycle?? Be as specific as possible, weight #'s, bf %, strength increase, etc.
2. If you look significantly leaner, have you dropped the weight that would correlate to bodyfat loss of what you think would be appropriate??
3. What is your BMR and how many calories have you been cutting daily??
4. What does your training routine look like?? How much cardio are you doing?? Do you have lifts that you can use to accurately measure your progress??
I think you should really continue this cycle a little while longer and re-assess what you expect out of this cycle. And, I would really like you to answer the following questions...
1. What exactly are your goals for this cycle?? Be as specific as possible, weight #'s, bf %, strength increase, etc.
2. If you look significantly leaner, have you dropped the weight that would correlate to bodyfat loss of what you think would be appropriate??
3. What is your BMR and how many calories have you been cutting daily??
4. What does your training routine look like?? How much cardio are you doing?? Do you have lifts that you can use to accurately measure your progress??
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bellweather
malcontent extrovert
now week 7, i have stayed on for the last 3 weeks, though now i am out of gear and cant really afford to re-up. so it looks like this was more like an 8 week cycle..
as i have been leaning down i have noticed that my weight hasnt really been moving, but my bf is plummiting like whoa.
ive noticed a considerable amount of acne on my back and stomach last couple weeks, as well as mood swings.
looking in the mirror i can definetly say that i am as cut as i was last summer with way more muscle mass, still cant completely contribute that to the gear because i worked my ass off this year.
no strength gains that i have seen. i will say that i probably shouldve held onto this gear till winter when im ready to eat high calories and bulk again. low calories will never provide strength even on gear, this im aware.
all this being said, i can say that i definetly felt some unnatural effects from this gear, which is more than i can say for the geneza, which i felt nada.. and i am looking my best EVER right now, so i cant say im unsatisfied. so my conclusion is indecisive i guess. we'll say plausible. i still think i will go HG from now on.
i will get some pics up asap for you guys to rip me a new one
cheers
-b
as i have been leaning down i have noticed that my weight hasnt really been moving, but my bf is plummiting like whoa.
ive noticed a considerable amount of acne on my back and stomach last couple weeks, as well as mood swings.
looking in the mirror i can definetly say that i am as cut as i was last summer with way more muscle mass, still cant completely contribute that to the gear because i worked my ass off this year.
no strength gains that i have seen. i will say that i probably shouldve held onto this gear till winter when im ready to eat high calories and bulk again. low calories will never provide strength even on gear, this im aware.
all this being said, i can say that i definetly felt some unnatural effects from this gear, which is more than i can say for the geneza, which i felt nada.. and i am looking my best EVER right now, so i cant say im unsatisfied. so my conclusion is indecisive i guess. we'll say plausible. i still think i will go HG from now on.
i will get some pics up asap for you guys to rip me a new one
cheers
-b
epoxy
Spartan
absolutely true.
sorry to hear about your lack of results man. if youre looking for quicker leaner results next time i would advise using just prop and switching the deca with some NPP so you dont have to wait for those long esters to kick in. and then it goes without saying that diet is absolutely essential in making the gains.
on another note, im personally never using long ester UGL gear anymore, regardless of the source or lab. HG only for those cycles. theres nothing worse than having bunk gear AND having to wait nearly 2 months to know if it's working or not.
TheMilkMan
New member
bellweather... I'm glad you decided to stick it out. It sounds like it was a cutting cycle that actually worked pretty well. I don't know your stats, but if you dropped a significant amount of bodyfat and have gained some muscle while staying the same weight, it sounds like the gear has done the trick. Yes, the dieting and training play a large part in that, but you and I both know that doing that natty is nearly impossible.
As you said, next time around run some Test/Deca over the winter and pack on 20lbs.
Good Luck.
As you said, next time around run some Test/Deca over the winter and pack on 20lbs.
Good Luck.
bellweather
malcontent extrovert
thanks fellas..
my question.. should i still post cycle therapy (pct) with the nolvadex i have? opinions?
-b
my question.. should i still post cycle therapy (pct) with the nolvadex i have? opinions?
-b
bellweather
malcontent extrovert
definetly. thanks. started nolva yesterday. whether the gear was strong or not, there was def something there, so like you said, better safe than sorry.
i was actually having some nipple soreness, but after 2 days of nolva, already starting to feel better.
thanks everyone!
-b
i was actually having some nipple soreness, but after 2 days of nolva, already starting to feel better.
thanks everyone!
-b
Hey guys, im new on here and was wondering if anyone could help. I started of injecting deca and sus every 4days, gaind 5lbs in the 1st week but my gains simply stopped there. Increased the dosage at the end of the 2nd week to deca EOD and deca and sus still every 4days. Im at week 5 now but haven't still gained any more weight. Beginning of this week (week 5) started to take 30mg of dianabol ED. Hope this will make me gain weight but worrid this may just be water.
Diet Meal 1: 2eggs 3toast n tea
Meal 2: protein shake
Meal 3: Jacket potatoe
Meal 4 protein shake
Train and then Meal 5 another protein shake
Meal 6: Tuna sandwichs
Really struggling here and training so hard, any help you guys can give will be greatly appriciated.
Diet Meal 1: 2eggs 3toast n tea
Meal 2: protein shake
Meal 3: Jacket potatoe
Meal 4 protein shake
Train and then Meal 5 another protein shake
Meal 6: Tuna sandwichs
Really struggling here and training so hard, any help you guys can give will be greatly appriciated.
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