Test E 12 Weeks 600mg

[THE-DET-OAK]

first let me say 3J is the best ive ever seen with diet advice. He knows more about it than i do.

you ask why your not getting the results your looking for though and here is my opinion.

your eating too clean. when i eat a well rounded diet while on, i just dont put on size, i simply look leaner and thats about it.

you have an eternity to cut, if i were you i would eat differently.

let me tell you what i eat on a normal bulk day and you tell me how many cals it is roughly, this is when i gain weight.

#1 5 eggs fried in olive oil
3 pieces thick cut bacon
2 servings of oatmeal

#2 tacos. 80/20 ground beef. 12 ozs
cheese lettuce, tortillas (flour)

# 3 50 gram protein shake with skim milk. about 25 ozs.

# 4 post workout shake, 50 gram protein, 4 tbl spoons PB, 1 bananna

# 5 16 oz ribeye steak fried in olive oil.
boiled cheese filled tortillenis (full pack-4 servings in each pack-like 160 carbs) this is my meal after workout. I will also eat full small bag steam fresh cheese covered brocolli

# 6 tacos again

before bed. PB and J on white bread with 32 oz skim milk.

im usually up in the middle of the night 2 times eating whatever jumps out at me.

i know this is not a healthy diet, and i change it up all the time but i GAIN weight on it. Now everyone is going to say you will gain fat with that much, well i dont.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

some days i will eat chicken in place of red meat, in the tacos and for the steak. when i eat chicken i douse it in hummus.

so i basically eat whatever i want and a ton of it but im not trying to get too skinny either, go fuck some buffets up EOD

 

[cyto33]

I have to agree with OAK its way to clean to put on lots of mass.
your first 3 meals i will eat in one sitting.

heres a breakfast for me.
and it keeps me happy.
6 whole eggs
4 cracked oat toast
3 full dinner sausages not the little things.
2 hash browns
coffee and a morning shake.

 

[blazeftp]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

Going to be changing up the diet.
Make it a little more dirty.

Dads a butcher, so got hundreds of drawers in the fridge full of meat.
Just going to fry up some of it with Olive oil as a snacks.

Will add to breakfast and lunch.
Also add a third meal after workout.

 

[big bk]

first let me say 3J is the best ive ever seen with diet advice. He knows more about it than i do.

you ask why your not getting the results your looking for though and here is my opinion.

your eating too clean. when i eat a well rounded diet while on, i just dont put on size, i simply look leaner and thats about it.

you have an eternity to cut, if i were you i would eat differently.

let me tell you what i eat on a normal bulk day and you tell me how many cals it is roughly, this is when i gain weight.

#1 5 eggs fried in olive oil
3 pieces thick cut bacon
2 servings of oatmeal

#2 tacos. 80/20 ground beef. 12 ozs
cheese lettuce, tortillas (flour)

# 3 50 gram protein shake with skim milk. about 25 ozs.

# 4 post workout shake, 50 gram protein, 4 tbl spoons PB, 1 bananna

# 5 16 oz ribeye steak fried in olive oil.
boiled cheese filled tortillenis (full pack-4 servings in each pack-like 160 carbs) this is my meal after workout. I will also eat full small bag steam fresh cheese covered brocolli

# 6 tacos again

before bed. PB and J on white bread with 32 oz skim milk.

im usually up in the middle of the night 2 times eating whatever jumps out at me.

i know this is not a healthy diet, and i change it up all the time but i GAIN weight on it. Now everyone is going to say you will gain fat with that much, well i dont.

At a glance up around 4800 or so cals literally just a glance didn't try to calculate cals or do any addition?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

sounds about right. i snack on shit during the day too. I dont count.

 

[RJ]

the boys are correct.

volume is wayyyy too high and diet is too clean to grow. I'll explain.

I don't care what you see in mags or on youtube, pros are at a place beyond what any of us will ever see. Plus that is their job. Its not yours. No way you can grow on that much volume. There are always exceptions to the rule, but i don't think your one of them. Getting big is about getting strong, not the other way around. And I don't mean 25lbs on your bench during a cycle. I mean getting stronger and stronger year after year is what makes you huge!!!! Pros get so damn big because they rely mainly on the drugs also. You don't want to do that. That's why pros lose so much when they retire. Check out the routine in my sig for a simple low volume routine that WILL MAKE YOU GROW!! And just imagine how much more time you'll have to eat when you're not in the gym for 3 hours. lol

now, lets get to food. you need to eat son. I don't mean more good food. I mean eat to get big. Red meat, sausage, bacon, eggs, buffalo, Big Macs, Quad Stackers, whatever. You need kcals to grow. Eating clean is fine, but you need to be adding cheat meals at least EOD. I can't eat like Det all the time every day, so I use cheat meals throughout the week. I eat clean most of the week and then cheat a couple times a week or maybe just the weekends. It doesn't mean eat like crap (donuts, ice cream, etc.), but you need calories (not weight gain shakes... good hearty calories) to grow big. YOU MUST EAT BIG TO GET BIG!!!

3J is awesome, and I'm not 100% sure what goals you gave him, and he may even disagree with us. Doesn't matter, you need to try a bevy of different things to find out what works. I can eat like an animal cause I still carry alot of muscle. I know my body. You gotta learn urs and go from there.

There are no definites in this game except the following (funny i just started a thread about this):

eat big amounts of good whole food
train like an animal with heavy weight and good form
rest like a baby

good luck

 

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these guys are like jehovah's witnesses jeez.

well said rj. broke it down real nice, and easy to understand too.

hopefully the young guns spending hours in the gym and thinking the gear means they gotta spend even more will take heed and at least consider giving it a try.

over training is seriously an epidemic, and most people don't take the time to really learn their own bodies, they just look for someone to tell them everything to do and jump on it blindly, often with less than reasonable expectations.

along the same line of not learning their bodies is not really understanding their bodies with regards to food as well. everyone is so paranoid about bloating or putting on fat (i was too i worked hard to get my bf back down into the teens) but when you actually do the research you realize that as long as you keep your diet right (for YOUR body) you can minimize the wrong kind of gains.... people need to experiment with the eating, they need to eat more, eat less, cycle stuff, figure out how THEIR body specifically reacts to different kinds of eating both on and off cycle so they know how to move forward and best achieve their goals.... but most people would rather just find a meal plan somewhere and stick to that, subbing in or out a few things here or there based on their preferences and item availability.

sorry blaze, this stuff isn't all directed at you specifically, just saying it is the trend i'm seeing in the fitness community in general, and it only gets accentuated when you get into something like steroids (which is to be expected.)

 

[blazeftp]

Thanks for the input guys.

Changing the routine


Monday:
Squats 2 x 5
Leg presses 1 x 20 (pick 1 of the squats + the leg presses)
posterior core movement 2 x 10-20reps
oblique crunch 2 x 10
Calves Raise 2 x 10
heavy abs 2 x 20
Hanging Crunch 3 x 5

Tuesday:
Wide grip flat bench 2 x 6 (index fingers on the rings)
flat bench hammer grip db press 2 x 12 reps
tricep push downs 1-2 x 100reps.
db side laterals 2 x 10reps
db front raises 2 x 10reps
Standing Military Press 3 x 5 Heavy

Thursday:
Dead lifts (rotate variations each week) 2 x 5
posterior core movement 2 x 10-20reps
rows 2 x 4-8reps
Reverse grip narrow grip pull downs 2 x 8
Standing wide grip curls 2 x 12 reps
hammer curls or reverse curls 2 x 12reps
heavy abs 2 x 20reps

Saturday
Barbell Shrug 2 x 10
Reverse Barbell shrug 1 x 10
Behind The Back Wrist Curl 2 x 10
Wrist Roller x 3




For Diet i am going to start gunning down all the meat in the fridge.
There is always sausages,bacon.turkey,ham eggs everything you can find at a butchers.
Going to do cheat meal EOD
If the have high calories and protein ect.

Thanks for the input guys.

5 Weeks left of cycle. Time for big change.

 

[ezred]

Thanks for the input guys.

Changing the routine


Monday:
Squats 2 x 5
Leg presses 1 x 20 (pick 1 of the squats + the leg presses)
posterior core movement 2 x 10-20reps
oblique crunch 2 x 10
Calves Raise 2 x 10
heavy abs 2 x 20
Hanging Crunch 3 x 5

Tuesday:
Wide grip flat bench 2 x 6 (index fingers on the rings)
flat bench hammer grip db press 2 x 12 reps
tricep push downs 1-2 x 100reps.
db side laterals 2 x 10reps
db front raises 2 x 10reps
Standing Military Press 3 x 5 Heavy

Thursday:
Dead lifts (rotate variations each week) 2 x 5
posterior core movement 2 x 10-20reps
rows 2 x 4-8reps
Reverse grip narrow grip pull downs 2 x 8
Standing wide grip curls 2 x 12 reps
hammer curls or reverse curls 2 x 12reps
heavy abs 2 x 20reps

Saturday
Barbell Shrug 2 x 10
Reverse Barbell shrug 1 x 10
Behind The Back Wrist Curl 2 x 10
Wrist Roller x 3




For Diet i am going to start gunning down all the meat in the fridge.
There is always sausages,bacon.turkey,ham eggs everything you can find at a butchers.
Going to do cheat meal EOD
If the have high calories and protein ect.

Thanks for the input guys.

5 Weeks left of cycle. Time for big change.

that workout looks a lot nicer bro. you should be able to push yourself heavier too. and don't forget to be moving it up.

dude, you're like in cycle heaven with your pops being a butcher. i want to live next door to you 6 months out of the year!

seriously though, awesome attitude to be willing to listen and make adjustments. you'll see noticeable improvements i think bro, really.

tear it up homie!

 

[blazeftp]

these guys are like jehovah's witnesses jeez.

well said rj. broke it down real nice, and easy to understand too.

hopefully the young guns spending hours in the gym and thinking the gear means they gotta spend even more will take heed and at least consider giving it a try.

over training is seriously an epidemic, and most people don't take the time to really learn their own bodies, they just look for someone to tell them everything to do and jump on it blindly, often with less than reasonable expectations.

along the same line of not learning their bodies is not really understanding their bodies with regards to food as well. everyone is so paranoid about bloating or putting on fat (i was too i worked hard to get my bf back down into the teens) but when you actually do the research you realize that as long as you keep your diet right (for YOUR body) you can minimize the wrong kind of gains.... people need to experiment with the eating, they need to eat more, eat less, cycle stuff, figure out how THEIR body specifically reacts to different kinds of eating both on and off cycle so they know how to move forward and best achieve their goals.... but most people would rather just find a meal plan somewhere and stick to that, subbing in or out a few things here or there based on their preferences and item availability.

sorry blaze, this stuff isn't all directed at you specifically, just saying it is the trend i'm seeing in the fitness community in general, and it only gets accentuated when you get into something like steroids (which is to be expected.)

I Know.

I have been training for 4 years.
First year was well a learning curve.
Second and third year was all about experimenting.
The routine i started this log was the routine which has giving me the most success.
Diet was make clean as i was to concerned with Bloat.

Going to get back to my old way of bulking,
Which is eat everything all day.

Will try this new workout,
See how things go.

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

I Know.

I have been training for 4 years.
First year was well a learning curve.
Second and third year was all about experimenting.
The routine i started this log was the routine which has giving me the most success.
Diet was make clean as i was to concerned with Bloat.

Going to get back to my old way of bulking,
Which is eat everything all day.

Will try this new workout,
See how things go.

Good luck bro, keep kicking ass. We will be watching for updates.

 

[blazeftp]

Started New workout and Diet today.

Went really well.

Did Tuesday today as i do thigh injection tomorrow.
Don't want to have to pin a damaged muscle now do i.

Didn't really feel shoulders got that good of a workout but can always add in another exercise or move them to another day.


Diet Was BIG!

Breakfast
2 glass of milk
3 scoop Protein shake with peanut butter
5 Link sausage
3 poached Eggs
4 slice of toast
1 large apple.

Lunch 500g of pork some potatoes.

Finished the rest of the pork off which was around 1kg maybe more.

7oz of Rump steak

2 bowls of bran flakes

Finished of the 2 liter of milk

Had Packet of super noodles

1 Serious mass shake.

4 slice of bacon and toast,




Next week i will be moving from Test E to Sustabolic.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

now thats how your gonna get big!!!!

 

[BiGnNasty]

some days i will eat chicken in place of red meat, in the tacos and for the steak. when i eat chicken i douse it in hummus.

so i basically eat whatever i want and a ton of it but im not trying to get too skinny either, go fuck some buffets up EOD

LOL! Good point man im the same way i eat like a hoss and dont get fat i just grow. I think this is the problem as well IMO u should use ur PCT as a time to cut with some albuterol and on cycle u should pack on the Calories. Good Stuff!

 

[BiGnNasty]

started new workout and diet today.

Went really well.

Did tuesday today as i do thigh injection tomorrow.
Don't want to have to pin a damaged muscle now do i.

Didn't really feel shoulders got that good of a workout but can always add in another exercise or move them to another day.


Diet was big!

Breakfast
2 glass of milk
3 scoop protein shake with peanut butter
5 link sausage
3 poached eggs
4 slice of toast
1 large apple.

Lunch 500g of pork some potatoes.

Finished the rest of the pork off which was around 1kg maybe more.

7oz of rump steak

2 bowls of bran flakes

finished of the 2 liter of milk

had packet of super noodles

1 serious mass shake.

4 slice of bacon and toast,




next week i will be moving from test e to sustabolic.

Got 2 spare vials if anyone in the uk would make an offer.

nice!

 

[ezred]

gj bro, that's some eating with growing in mind right there!

for the shoulders... those 3 weren't enough to leave you feeling like you crushed your delts? how heavy did you go? you might try supersetting your lat raises i often do that, or doing something like an alternating rest-pause technique to go heavier and really put the hurt on.

i try to push it to 8-12 reps but i mean for me that's till failure if i have a spotter usually 10, 11 and 12 are with them pushing up slightly. sometimes i'll switch to alternating for a final 1 or 2 reps after a few breath's pause at the end when i don't have a spotter. i usually drop one to put some extra focus on the core there too.

then moving from there to ohp, military press, etc. 3 sets HEAVY for 3-6 reps... i'm usually BEAT, MORE than enough for a killer workout for me and i'm not huge but still at about 10% bf nearly 240lbs so i'm not small.

Started New workout and Diet today.

Went really well.

Did Tuesday today as i do thigh injection tomorrow.
Don't want to have to pin a damaged muscle now do i.

Didn't really feel shoulders got that good of a workout but can always add in another exercise or move them to another day.


Diet Was BIG!

Breakfast
2 glass of milk
3 scoop Protein shake with peanut butter
5 Link sausage
3 poached Eggs
4 slice of toast
1 large apple.

Lunch 500g of pork some potatoes.

Finished the rest of the pork off which was around 1kg maybe more.

7oz of Rump steak

2 bowls of bran flakes

Finished of the 2 liter of milk

Had Packet of super noodles

1 Serious mass shake.

4 slice of bacon and toast,




Next week i will be moving from Test E to Sustabolic.

Got 2 spare vials if anyone in the uk would make an offer.

 

[RJ]

Didn't really feel shoulders got that good of a workout but can always add in another exercise or move them to another day.

DON'T. This is a sure fire way to overtrain. You will get so much ancillary work doing heavy presses you won't need it.

This is how guys get side tracked on low volume routines. You're not gonna feel some heavy killing of the direct delt like you would doing amillion shoulder exercises. But look at any giant powerlifter and check out their delts. You think those guys are doing side laterals and rear delt exercises all day? Negative.

Stick to the program, like I first said, if you are killing the heavy weights you won't need all that extra stuff. Now is the time for you to get big and strong. Leave all that fancy stuff to the underwear models until you have put on some serious meat.

Nice work on the diet also... MEAT IS KING!!