I gotta ask - the shirted bench...

[ManOfMuscle]

errr why would you bench raw when your fellow competitors are wearing shirts???

nothing wrong with raw benching but MOST people bench more with a shirt so why give up edge???

Like Rocco said there are raw classes too, I'm not stupid enough to go up against a bunch of shirted guys thinking I'm going to win. If I end up competing against shirted lifters then I'll just be doing it for fun and for meet experience.

Rocco what was your winning lift and what was the competition like? Oh and congrats on the win btw!

 

[DADAWG]

I wouldnt even entertain the idea of using a shirt if i was not going to compete. But that is me.

i can . ronnie coleman trains sometimes in powerlifting gear , ive also seen a clip with platz in a squat suit . for bodybuilding purposes just haveing the ability to handle heavier weight might shock your system into growth , for those who say the suits and shirts are handleing all the extra weight your wrong because you still have to lock out all that extra weight and balance/stabalize it as well and for squat its very similar .


lets not forget why 99% of us here lift/train . very few here compete and even fewer make a living with weights . sure we like the look of extra muscles but what it all boils down to for the majority here is that its a hobby .
and hobbies should be fun , just trying training with chains/bands/or even suits and shirts can bring some enthusiasm back and make things more fun .
if this is a hobby for anyone here and its not fun you need a new hobby .

 

[blackbeard]

If you go raw you are in a different class for instance APF raw or AAPFraw. No edge is given up unless they do not offer a raw division at your meet. I competed raw in my last meet and won 1st place. Their was a shirted guy who one this class as well.

Interrstingy enough there was a guy at that meet that hit 500 with his shirt . I can do 5 reps with his best raw single.

Shirts require alot of technique and then you can factor in the guys ewith the tricked out shirts. I.e. guys with towels sown into their shirts or one sibgle ply sewn to another or tremendously over bridge stitched or how about the tiny meeker shirt. I'd affectionitly call it the sling shot shirt as his hands literally need to be pryed from the forward croseed position and placed on the bar.

If you egt into this game you'll know the guys i'm speaking of. They are the ones with qualifying lifts in federations you've nevger heard of or alledgedyly sanctioned meets that no one goes to. They are also the ones that suprisingly get no invites to invitations such as bench america or the arnold despite the fact that they have hit a qualifying lift in an aleged sanctioned meet.

I find shirts to be something that has been abused but a fact that we must deal with. It's part of the sport and we must eigther lean the art or go home.

-roc

Like i said this thread is fuggin useless

IF you want to compete raw then you do it..if you want to use gear then you do it..

who gives a flying fuck what some guy does in a shirt..you CANNOT compare a shirt to a raw lift..Im sorry they arent the same..I am not saying one is better than the other..they are different..

it always seems the raw guys wanna discredit the shirted guys as well..just like you said Rocco how ur raw is better than some 500 shirted guys bench raw..who fucking cares you 2 arent in the same division so why compare..

this kinda thread is the last thing this board needs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!because at the heart of it its really another one of those raw vs shirrt threads

Rocco youve got an awful lot of "inside" knowledge for someone just getting inot shirted benching..there are such things as eequipment checks ( not saying they are foolproof)

 

[BigRonWannabee]

Hey, BB - chill out.

I wanted feedback from those who train with shirts. I am NOT here to discredit anyones hobby - this aint BB.com and shit, if I cant make a thread here and expect some mature feedback then where can I do it?

No need for anyone to attack/defend. I dont understand why one would train with a shirt if they didnt compete. Discuss. You dont like the thread go have a sandwich.

 

[Perfection Awaits]

also, to add to this thread, do u think a loose shirt would help the shoulders? Maybe thats y they would..

 

[jcp2]

Hey, BB - chill out.

I wanted feedback from those who train with shirts. I am NOT here to discredit anyones hobby - this aint BB.com and shit, if I cant make a thread here and expect some mature feedback then where can I do it?

No need for anyone to attack/defend. I dont understand why one would train with a shirt if they didnt compete. Discuss. You dont like the thread go have a sandwich.

I see where he is coming from, if you read the powerlifting boards it is the same thing constantly, i know that was not your intention though.


And Dadawg, anyone can do as they please to have fun, i just meant i would not put another one on if i wasn't going to compete anymore.

 

[BigRonWannabee]

I figured that much - guy comes in here like I insulted his mother.

 

[roccodart440]

Like Rocco said there are raw classes too. Rocco what was your winning lift and what was the competition like? Oh and congrats on the win btw!

365@242 drug free/RAW

Ive worn breifs in the past for support, no longer us em though. Ive never used or owned a suit. I mean Im all for big numbers but in the end I dont walk around with my numbers on my forehead. Unless you compete all they good for is bragging rights really, dont mean much more than that.

I squat in jeans ofr some support. I have a hip and back injury. They keep me comfy.

 

[BigRonWannabee]

365@242 drug free/RAW



I squat in jeans ofr some support. I have a hip and back injury. They keep me comfy.

Yea I kinda mixed two ideas unintentionally there. I meant the numbers are just for bragging rights imo. Suits and briefs definatly serve a purpose, and I have and will again wear my briefs, no need to beat up on your hips if you dont have to.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

Hey, BB - chill out.

I dont understand why one would train with a shirt if they didnt compete. Discuss. You dont like the thread go have a sandwich.

I think Dadawg's answers earlier in the thread were right on the money

 

[DADAWG]

And Dadawg, anyone can do as they please to have fun, i just meant i would not put another one on if i wasn't going to compete anymore.

i just reread my post and it looked like kind of jumped in your shit didnt it .
i never pick on people who had to ride the short bus to school like i did so i humbly apoligize to ya

 

[DADAWG]

I think Dadawg's answers earlier in the thread were right on the money

thanks
just remember a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[blackbeard]

but how did it get so damn silly - double ply denim? Might as well strap some springs on your chest!

I am chill but this hardly seems like someone who is being serious

jsut so you know there are some Poly shirts that are STRONGER than double ply denims

BB.com would be a pretty cool board lol

 

[BigRonWannabee]

Serious as can be bro. Ive always wondered how the shirt became such a powerlifting mainstay - where you can buy a piece of clothing that wont allow you to touch anything under 700lbs to your belly/chest. I really just wanted to hear from the fellas who train with shirts thier POV, I think dadawg hit some excellent points. I dont have a shirt - and EVERY thread on my god damn home boards trianing forum is shirt this shirt that.

And I totally understand that this probably came off as stupid thread, but god damnit im bored here so i go and post something I honestly wonder everyday. Little respect thrown my way is all Im asking from anyone.

 

[DADAWG]

Serious as can be bro. Ive always wondered how the shirt became such a powerlifting mainstay - where you can buy a piece of clothing that wont allow you to touch anything under 700lbs to your belly/chest. I really just wanted to hear from the fellas who train with shirts thier POV, I think dadawg hit some excellent points. I dont have a shirt - and EVERY thread on my god damn home boards trianing forum is shirt this shirt that.

And I totally understand that this probably came off as stupid thread, but god damnit im bored here so i go and post something I honestly wonder everyday. Little respect thrown my way is all Im asking from anyone.

one thing to remember , when shirts first started like the inzer blast they added only a few pounds and you could touch way more than you could bench . just like anyother sport , equipment has evolved .

 

[pretty ricky]

your original post was why would someone train in a shirt if you aint gonna compete.well alot of us said they wouldn't and dont suport the training of something if you aint gonna use it.i would not train in a shirt and have not but i will and i am,but i'm a powerlifter.i'm a beginner and go raw right now but soon enough i will be in gear.i think it's stupid to train with a shirt unless you use it just like you.i give you great respect douge your compilation of recipes has been a godsend!thank you!as for the bashing of a shirted or assisted lift people who don't know shit ought not say shit it's part of the sport it is what it is!

 

[ManOfMuscle]

I just wonder how heavy I'm going to be able to bench raw before something tears or explodes, be it shoulders or a torn pec.

 

[roccodart440]

I just wonder how heavy I'm going to be able to bench raw before something tears or explodes, be it shoulders or a torn pec.

THis is still despite evolution (and mutation) the real postitive attribute to wearing a shirt. There is a limit to what the shoulders can take both at one time and after repeated wear and tear. When shirted you feel virtually no pain or pressure in your shoulders.

Preety Ricky: regarding the last couple sentences you wrote you couldn't be more dead on. I had something like that happen to me the other day. A guy oin the gym asked me what kind of numbers I was hitting recently and I replied almnost 600. He imediatly said wow and then said but is that wearing one of those vests? I said yes but i'm hitting over 400 without it. He then backed back in to his hole and did a few reps with his 315.

Mendelson should be a model ofr all . He is a true strongman. Strong in the shirt strong out of it. WE should all strive for this.

 

[pretty ricky]

i would like to qualify my statement as to those who dont know shit ought not say shit.i might not know anything or maybe i got a good grasp i dont know.i was more saying it to those whp bash a part of the sport that they might or might not partake in.i was not trying to come off as if i knew it all and didnt mean to step on toes.i was more or less talking about joe smoe doing curls in the rack at the gym and bashing some helluva strong man by saying "he does all that shirt stuff he aint no stronger than me"yeah sure bud never seen you use that rack for what the hell it was made for!makes me want to shove that barbell up thier ass and do squats with em.all the while yelling this is what the racks made for shithead!

 

[Mudge]

I said yes but i'm hitting over 400 without it. He then backed back in to his hole and did a few reps with his 315.

I'm not sure if there was a hidden point to that sentence, but it almost sounds like you are putting him down when he is almost as strong as you. :shrug: