TheMilkMan
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what kinda training do you follow?? anything in particular or is it more just Aztech's style
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Aztech
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I've adopted the "Figure it out when you get there"
I go with the mindset of working out ME, DE, or RE for upper or lower...westside mentality. I use DC principles like the quad stretch, chest stretch, calf raises, and sometimes the rest pausing if i'm getting short on time in my workout. I use bands, chains, boards, and boxes, varying from week to week. Sometimes I have a workout partner, most times i don't. When I do, i usually go for 1-2 reps as I have that safety net.
I do what feels right and don't have issues changing my plans if the squat racks are occupied or I can't get a bench to press off of. If my joints feel tender, i won't work through it, i'll work around it.
I go with the mindset of working out ME, DE, or RE for upper or lower...westside mentality. I use DC principles like the quad stretch, chest stretch, calf raises, and sometimes the rest pausing if i'm getting short on time in my workout. I use bands, chains, boards, and boxes, varying from week to week. Sometimes I have a workout partner, most times i don't. When I do, i usually go for 1-2 reps as I have that safety net.
I do what feels right and don't have issues changing my plans if the squat racks are occupied or I can't get a bench to press off of. If my joints feel tender, i won't work through it, i'll work around it.
TheMilkMan
New member
Can you explain the ME, RE, DE days??
That really is a good style to adopt as far as practicality. There are more exercises out there than most people can even fathom, but most of the time we stick to what we like and it becomes such a routine that progress stops. I used to go in with the idea that I was going to train a specific body part, but used to just go wild with whatever I felt was right for the day. Now with DC, I'm kinda locked into doing what I have to for the day, which I don't mind because the experience so far has been a good one.
I think your routine makes a ton of sense for mental sanity and overall quality of life. No reason to fight through something when it means you're going to end up a cripple at 40.
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Aztech
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ME = Max Effort - pick a main compound exercise and work up to a 1rm or 3x3 as heavy as possible. Add in a couple exercises to work the weak points of that lift and do 5-8 reps
DE = Dynamic Effort - This is when you do doubles or triples with roughly half your 1rm for 8-10 sets, working for speed. Then you add in some more exercises and work in a 8-12 rep range.
RE = Repetition Effort - This would be like your basic Volume-like workout, sometimes doing sets of 20 reps.
DE = Dynamic Effort - This is when you do doubles or triples with roughly half your 1rm for 8-10 sets, working for speed. Then you add in some more exercises and work in a 8-12 rep range.
RE = Repetition Effort - This would be like your basic Volume-like workout, sometimes doing sets of 20 reps.
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Aztech
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no slin today. Trials are over. Have realized it adds fat running it morning and afternoon without being on gh or gear. Will put it back in later when the a/m is a different scenario.
TheMilkMan
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thanks man
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Aztech
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it's pretty abbreviated but it should set the ground work. I think working out like this helps you attack both type 1 and type 2 muscles. You can do the test and see which of your body parts are predominantly fast-twitch muscles and which are predominantly slow-twitch muscles and and work them in different capacities for maximal growth.
Anyway:
11/12: DE Lower
Box Squats for speed: 135 x2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2 adding 10lbs every set.
Leg Press Wide-stance: 12p x12, 14p x10, 16p x7
GHR
Ab Cable Crunch
DC Calf Raise
Anyway:
11/12: DE Lower
Box Squats for speed: 135 x2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2 adding 10lbs every set.
Leg Press Wide-stance: 12p x12, 14p x10, 16p x7
GHR
Ab Cable Crunch
DC Calf Raise
leanbody
man on a mission
HeyAztech;
so the slin adds fat while you're not on gear and when you are it will help build muscle? Not sure I understand the theory behiond that. When do you start the rest of your cycle? Seems you should be able to add 20lbs w/o the slin - yes?
BTW nice lifting philosopy switching up the ME, DE and RE - bet that keeps your body confused enough to not stay in one spot.
so the slin adds fat while you're not on gear and when you are it will help build muscle? Not sure I understand the theory behiond that. When do you start the rest of your cycle? Seems you should be able to add 20lbs w/o the slin - yes?
BTW nice lifting philosopy switching up the ME, DE and RE - bet that keeps your body confused enough to not stay in one spot.
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Aztech
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Well, i'm sure if you have your slin dosage squared away with the proper amount of carbs and protein for your body and perfect meal afterwards, you can use slin without gaining fat.
And no, just using it cause you are on steroids will not result in pure muscle gain. Slin is simply a chemical your pancreas produces when it senses food intake. Slin helps shuttle nutrients into your muscles. Too many nutrients in the body that don't get used = fat.
Running it alone and this condition of too many nutrients and you get fat.
Running it with steroids and your body will put to use more of those nutrients.
Running it with gh and your body increases the igf production which results in more mass.
I think there is alot to be said for someone's natural responses and natural hormone levels that will affect what they should take and how they should train. If you are somewhat insulin resistant that should mean your muscles will not get all the nutrients and this could be one reason you have a hard time gaining mass. Natural t3/t4 levels also play a role in this. Naturally low test or GH levels also.
I see no reason that anyone who is willing to take anything at whatever dose necessary and eat the proper amount of food and train in the correct manner and get enough sleep can't grow to be as big as the pro's.
Obviously some people are more inclined to be bigger, fatter, leaner, etc...in a natural state, so you have to work differently to reach your goals.
I am naturally lean. I can eat mcdonalds three times a day for months and never get over 15% bf and this is without doing cardio. People like MoM can grow massive without using steroids, then just get stronger when on. Insulin for him could be absolute disaster but who the hell knows. I thoroughly enjoy reading people's trials and errors because you have to realize everyone is so different. What works great for Bob over there could be the worst thing for you. And in regards to taking in the super-supps, there are so many different potencies and fakes out there, just cause igf at 40mcg a day didn't do shit for mr. pineapple doesn't mean it's complete shit.
I am by no means massive or un-ordinarily strong. I don't feel i make a cope out when i say I come from shitty genetics. I was 17, eating a lot of crap like an 17yo and at 6'...135lbs. Be it i ran alot and was a mid five minute miler, it kinda shows my natural body predisposition.
I did a cylce and proper post cycle therapy (pct) and came off for an extended time and dropped back to 180lbs no matter how much i ate. During my last cycle i was up to 220 (a good deal of water weight) and ran 3mg of igf and can now hold over 200 without gear. I have to believe that igf did something.
Fuck, i'm just rambling on and on at this point. sry.
And no, just using it cause you are on steroids will not result in pure muscle gain. Slin is simply a chemical your pancreas produces when it senses food intake. Slin helps shuttle nutrients into your muscles. Too many nutrients in the body that don't get used = fat.
Running it alone and this condition of too many nutrients and you get fat.
Running it with steroids and your body will put to use more of those nutrients.
Running it with gh and your body increases the igf production which results in more mass.
I think there is alot to be said for someone's natural responses and natural hormone levels that will affect what they should take and how they should train. If you are somewhat insulin resistant that should mean your muscles will not get all the nutrients and this could be one reason you have a hard time gaining mass. Natural t3/t4 levels also play a role in this. Naturally low test or GH levels also.
I see no reason that anyone who is willing to take anything at whatever dose necessary and eat the proper amount of food and train in the correct manner and get enough sleep can't grow to be as big as the pro's.
Obviously some people are more inclined to be bigger, fatter, leaner, etc...in a natural state, so you have to work differently to reach your goals.
I am naturally lean. I can eat mcdonalds three times a day for months and never get over 15% bf and this is without doing cardio. People like MoM can grow massive without using steroids, then just get stronger when on. Insulin for him could be absolute disaster but who the hell knows. I thoroughly enjoy reading people's trials and errors because you have to realize everyone is so different. What works great for Bob over there could be the worst thing for you. And in regards to taking in the super-supps, there are so many different potencies and fakes out there, just cause igf at 40mcg a day didn't do shit for mr. pineapple doesn't mean it's complete shit.
I am by no means massive or un-ordinarily strong. I don't feel i make a cope out when i say I come from shitty genetics. I was 17, eating a lot of crap like an 17yo and at 6'...135lbs. Be it i ran alot and was a mid five minute miler, it kinda shows my natural body predisposition.
I did a cylce and proper post cycle therapy (pct) and came off for an extended time and dropped back to 180lbs no matter how much i ate. During my last cycle i was up to 220 (a good deal of water weight) and ran 3mg of igf and can now hold over 200 without gear. I have to believe that igf did something.
Fuck, i'm just rambling on and on at this point. sry.
leanbody
man on a mission
Hey man - thanks for the ramble - it's interesting to hear your experience and ideas. I come from the other side of the tracks where i could eat McDonalds once a week and get fat! hahaha oh well - fortunately I have no desire to do so - just miss some of the desserts. Seems like you've done well getting to where you are at so I'll be interested to follow along thru your next cycle.
Don't think I'll try slin in the vear future - still have to experiment with a few other variables.LOL - thanks for the explanation.
later, bro!
Don't think I'll try slin in the vear future - still have to experiment with a few other variables.LOL - thanks for the explanation.
later, bro!
HUNG4RY4N
Will of Iron
Do you firmly believe that the reason you can maintain more mass naturally is the igf? 20 lbs extra if I'm not mistaken?
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Aztech
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I can't say that's the sole reason but i do believe it is a factor.
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Aztech
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11/16: DE Bench
pre-wo = 5iu + 50g carbs
Speed Bench: 135 x3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 (adding 5lbs every set)
DB Incline Press: 90's x10, 105's x6,6
Rack press lockouts: 225 x8, 315 x8, 365 x2
HS Pulldowns
Feeling tired so left.
PWO = 11iu + 120g carb + 50g protein
pre-wo = 5iu + 50g carbs
Speed Bench: 135 x3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 (adding 5lbs every set)
DB Incline Press: 90's x10, 105's x6,6
Rack press lockouts: 225 x8, 315 x8, 365 x2
HS Pulldowns
Feeling tired so left.
PWO = 11iu + 120g carb + 50g protein
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Aztech
Guest
11/17: ME Lower
Deadlift with new form: 135 x6, 225x 6, 315 x3, 365 x2, 415 x2, 465 x1
SSB Wide-stance squats: 135 x10,10,10
Leg Extension superset Calf Raise
Decline Weighted crunches
Deadlift with new form: 135 x6, 225x 6, 315 x3, 365 x2, 415 x2, 465 x1
SSB Wide-stance squats: 135 x10,10,10
Leg Extension superset Calf Raise
Decline Weighted crunches
leanbody
man on a mission
Damn Az! - nice work on the deads! For your speedset yesterday - do you add the weights yourself or work w/ a spotter? Also whats the iu you keep mentionning? I thot you wre done w/ the slin trial...(appologies for the stupid questions.)
later man
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Aztech
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guess im not 'completely' done with the slin trials...lol
I have to test again and see if taking it pre-workout is what made me so tired.
I have to test again and see if taking it pre-workout is what made me so tired.
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Aztech
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11/19: ME Bench
Flat Bench with chains: 135 x8, 185 x6, 225 x5, 275, x2,2
CG Press with chains: 185 x6,6
Dante DB Press: 80's x9,7
HS Row: 6p x15, 8p x8, 10p x6
Had to finish early, other things to do.
Flat Bench with chains: 135 x8, 185 x6, 225 x5, 275, x2,2
CG Press with chains: 185 x6,6
Dante DB Press: 80's x9,7
HS Row: 6p x15, 8p x8, 10p x6
Had to finish early, other things to do.
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Aztech
Guest
With a little change due to supply issues...it begins
140/140/40 test/deca/epi
140/140/40 test/deca/epi
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Aztech
Guest
Week 1 - Day 1
Left Delt
140mg test
140mg deca
40mg epistane
will start with one pump aifm per day and will add hcg and cab in the near future.
Left Delt
140mg test
140mg deca
40mg epistane
will start with one pump aifm per day and will add hcg and cab in the near future.
HUNG4RY4N
Will of Iron
How often are you going to inject deca? What test/deca ratio are you running?
