Test&D-bol now.....

[biggest loser fat loss]

Have you got some pics you can post bro?

I'll work on that...

 

[LUVdaBENCH]

When I was underweight I gained a little more mass then you naturally in the course of 3 months. Im sure alot of people told you, that you probably should have waited until you had a better foundation.

I cannot believe you stoped working out for a month after you were done because you had to move. That sucks, but your have to remember your priorities. Its never too hard to eat. Im sure the 10 pounds were more then just water? Do you look alot different?

Just keep eating like 4500 cals a day, and work out hard and heavy 3 or 4 days a week. No refining movements, only compounds. Dont juice again until your atleast 180 naturally.

 

[jl1112]

why should he wait till hes 180 u think gear is like a reward u get for workin out naturally fuck trainin hard when ure not on u arent gonna maintain what u had just wait and juice again plus bein 180 juiced out is way better than a natural 180 luvdabench u seem to worried about everyone else and it seems everything u say is negative so dont even bother posting ure opinion on anything

 

[LUVdaBENCH]

Im just trying to help. You can ask any mod here and they will agree with me. Dont juice until youve been at this for atleast a few years, and until you have filled out naturally.

 

[biggest loser fat loss]

When I was underweight I gained a little more mass then you naturally in the course of 3 months. Im sure alot of people told you, that you probably should have waited until you had a better foundation.

I cannot believe you stoped working out for a month after you were done because you had to move. That sucks, but your have to remember your priorities. Its never too hard to eat. Im sure the 10 pounds were more then just water? Do you look alot different?

Just keep eating like 4500 cals a day, and work out hard and heavy 3 or 4 days a week. No refining movements, only compounds. Dont juice again until your atleast 180 naturally.

Hey bro thanks for the opinion, You gaining what I did in the same time frame w/o juice sounds like bullshit. But hey if you did than good for you. I dont see that as being possible "natural". It would take at least a year naturally to get what I got in 2 months, and thats w/ arnolds genes. Lets be realistic.
My body was'nt going to, end of story. I'm 25, if I was going to fill out it would have happened already, so I juiced. I wish that I had done it sooner to tell you the truth. I will post up some new pics later this evening and you'll see that all I lost was water retention. My strength is still there and I have a different body than I've ever had. It will never go back to what it was before. My whole frame sort've changed.
I did'nt stop working out either. I just had to cut back, I have a shitload of stuff going on right now. Shit that takes priority over hittin the gym constantly. Before, I was out of work for a while so I could devote most of my time to eating right, training, etc... So for now a couple days a week of working out is gonna have to suffice.
And as far as training goes I dont think I forgot how to train overnight bro, I mean come on now. All I ever do is heavy compound movements.Why dont you post up some pics of yourself by the way before and afters in the supposed 2 month time frame where you gained more mass than me naturally.
I put myself out there lets see you bro.

 

[LUVdaBENCH]

You look like you gained mostly muscle on your cycle. Which you would not have been able to do naturally in the same time peroid. So congrats on that.

Im sure you could have gained more weight of muscle and fat naturally, if you kept at things alittle longer before you juiced. But whatever.

Im not trying to tell you what your priorities should be, but if you want to keep a big musclar body you have to put alot of effort into it, and you have to try to put it at the top of your list. Otherwise you will end up with the body you started out with.

To look good you must have consistantly good workout and dieting habits.

Anyway good luck.

 

[mesomorph]

Shit that takes priority over hittin the gym constantly. Before, I was out of work for a while so I could devote most of my time to eating right, training, etc... So for now a couple days a week of working out is gonna have to suffice.

Actually 3 days a week for an intense 1/2 hour are enough anyhow. I think most folks overdue it and would actually gain more if they did less volume at the gym. But phycologically everyone thinks they are sluffing off when they do.

 

[biggest loser fat loss]

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[LUVdaBENCH]

how tall are you?

 

[androgen]

During my earlier years, my d-bol / deca cycle looked something like this:

week----------d-bol tbs per day----------deca mg/week--------anadrol 50 tabs/day
--1-----------------------------------------200 mg-------------------------------
--2-----------------------------------------300 mg-------------------------------
--3-----------------------------------------300 mg--------------------1----------
--4-------------------2 x 2-----------------400 mg--------------------------------
--5-------------------3 x 2-----------------400 mg--------------------------------
--6-------------------4 x 2-----------------300 mg--------------------------------
--7-------------------3 x 2-----------------300 mg--------------------------------
--8-------------------2 x 2-----------------200 mg--------------------------------

From here, do your PCT

 

[string_bean00]

During my earlier years, my d-bol / deca cycle looked something like this:

week----------d-bol tbs per day----------deca mg/week--------anadrol 50 tabs/day
--1-----------------------------------------200 mg-------------------------------
--2-----------------------------------------300 mg-------------------------------
--3-----------------------------------------300 mg--------------------1----------
--4-------------------2 x 2-----------------400 mg--------------------------------
--5-------------------3 x 2-----------------400 mg--------------------------------
--6-------------------4 x 2-----------------300 mg--------------------------------
--7-------------------3 x 2-----------------300 mg--------------------------------
--8-------------------2 x 2-----------------200 mg--------------------------------

From here, do your PCT

There is no point in tapering the deca there.

 

[biggest loser fat loss]

how tall are you?

I'm 5'-8", 5'-9".

 

[androgen]

Actually, up to now, I always taper deca. I use higher doses now, though. Even with modern post cycle therapy (pct) techniques, I just would not dare not tapering deca.

 

[Johnny Cage]

MW101 - can you give me (us) a cycle summary? I read your entire log, good work. The log got side tracked for other reasons...

Originally your plan was:
1-8 Test Enan (250 x 2/week)
1-4 DBol (@40mg)
is that correct?

but you ended up doing:
1-8 Test Enan (250mg 2/week)
1-8 DBol (@40mg)
is that correct?

your starting weight was: 150lbs
your peak weight was: 178lbs
and you finished at: 165lbs
is that correct?

good pictures, seems to perhaps lost bodyfat along the way.

 

[biggest loser fat loss]

MW101 - can you give me (us) a cycle summary? I read your entire log, good work. The log got side tracked for other reasons...

Originally your plan was:
1-8 Test Enan (250 x 2/week)
1-4 DBol (@40mg)
is that correct?

but you ended up doing:
1-8 Test Enan (250mg 2/week)
1-8 DBol (@40mg)
is that correct?

your starting weight was: 150lbs
your peak weight was: 178lbs
and you finished at: 165lbs
is that correct?

good pictures, seems to perhaps lost bodyfat along the way.

Johnny, thanks for the positive feedback bro.
My cycle was as follows-
1-8 test enanth 250 1 Every 5 days
1-12 Liquid D-bol 20mg 2X a day

and you got the weight right...

 

[Johnny Cage]

sure.
This isn't a flame but please consider the following:
1) DBol is typically run for 4 weeks. Max of 6. This is because it is absolute hell on the liver. It raises your GGT and AST as well as a host of Enzymes. I would buy a crapload of Milk Thistle and take a gram or more a day. You need to detox.
2) Another reason it is run for 4 weeks is because is destroys your lipid panel. Your HDL (good cholesterol) will drop to single digits and your LDL (bad cholesterol) will skyrocket to above 200. It is not a problem as long as it returns to normal after ceasation of the DBol. If it doesn't then you have problems. You can not live with a f_cked up lipid profile without being at huge risk for heart failure. Nolvadex improve the lipid profile as well as: Red Yeast Rice, Poliosanol, Garlic, Omega Fats, etc.

I would get bloodwork done ASAP...
Liver enzymes and Lipid Panel.
It won't cost you over $60.

this may scare you, but its for your safety. I've never heard of anyone running DBol beyond 6weeks. Please stay safe.

 

[biggest loser fat loss]

sure.
This isn't a flame but please consider the following:
1) DBol is typically run for 4 weeks. Max of 6. This is because it is absolute hell on the liver. It raises your GGT and AST as well as a host of Enzymes. I would buy a crapload of Milk Thistle and take a gram or more a day. You need to detox.
2) Another reason it is run for 4 weeks is because is destroys your lipid panel. Your HDL (good cholesterol) will drop to single digits and your LDL (bad cholesterol) will skyrocket to above 200. It is not a problem as long as it returns to normal after ceasation of the DBol. If it doesn't then you have problems. You can not live with a f_cked up lipid profile without being at huge risk for heart failure. Nolvadex improve the lipid profile as well as: Red Yeast Rice, Poliosanol, Garlic, Omega Fats, etc.

I would get bloodwork done ASAP...
Liver enzymes and Lipid Panel.
It won't cost you over $60.

this may scare you, but its for your safety. I've never heard of anyone running DBol beyond 6weeks. Please stay safe.

Johnny, Thanks for the info bro. About a week after stopping my d-bol I got sick w/ the stomach flu and got dehydrated bad. I went to the ER and got some IV fluids and felt better within a matter of few hours. While there they did bloodwork and bugged out about my liver enzymes. I knew what the deal was but they didnt, and I was'nt about to tell them. The doc wanted to do more tests but I insisted I was fine and went home. Last week I went to my doc and had a complete physical and bloodwork done. I got the results back and he told me that all was fine and had returned to normal,liver enzymes, cholesterol, blood pressure,oxygen level in blood etc. are all good. But thanks for the concern...

 

[Johnny Cage]

absolutely, and I'm glad to hear that you are okay.

Did you run liver protectants?

Do you regret running it (dbol) beyond 4-6 weeks? Gains usually taper, it's hard to say if they tapered for you - you lost a ton of water in the end though.

To look at which compound 'made you grow' I'd look at it like this way:

Your cycle was:
1-8 Test Enan*
1-12 Dbol^

*test doesn't kick in until ~week 4, so you only had 6 weeks of growth from the test (weeks 4-10).
^The dbol was probably working ~weeks 1-6 without tapering.

You seemed to be up about 16-18lbs by week 10-11, and that's ultimately what you gained, the rest being water..

Good job on the gains, and free feel to correct my assumptions if you see it differently. Definitly finish the cycle with a dry(er) compound next time to make those gains solid!

Thanks for your responses

 

[biggest loser fat loss]

absolutely, and I'm glad to hear that you are okay.

Did you run liver protectants?

Do you regret running it (dbol) beyond 4-6 weeks? Gains usually taper, it's hard to say if they tapered for you - you lost a ton of water in the end though.

To look at which compound 'made you grow' I'd look at it like this way:

Your cycle was:
1-8 Test Enan*
1-12 Dbol^

*test doesn't kick in until ~week 4, so you only had 6 weeks of growth from the test (weeks 4-10).
^The dbol was probably working ~weeks 1-6 without tapering.

You seemed to be up about 16-18lbs by week 10-11, and that's ultimately what you gained, the rest being water..

Good job on the gains, and free feel to correct my assumptions if you see it differently. Definitly finish the cycle with a dry(er) compound next time to make those gains solid!

Thanks for your responses

Johnny,
I do regret runnin the dbol past 4 weeks now bro. I wish that I did more test like 2 injects of 250mg a week for a total of 500mg a week, instead of the dbol at all. I think the dbol gave me some weird sides.

 

[tryingtogetbig]

good

i liked reading about your cycle i think more people should do what you did