ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
I have no before pics but I'll take some at the end.
MOM's 1-T/Epistane log
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ManOfMuscle
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Day 43 1-T Day 22 Epistane
Lower body hypertrophy
leg press 4 plates per side x15 6 plates x15 8 plates x15 10 plates x25
jacknife twisting crunches bw x15 x20 x25
superset w/ calf sled full stack x10 x12 x20
dips bw x10 x15 x25
superset w/ standing alternating db curls 40's x8(per arm) 50's x8 60's x10
It appears I was hasty in bashing the 1-T. In light of my rampant weight gain I'm going to have to say this stuff is legit. I'm basing this off of the fact that during my first epistane/dermacrine run I didn't see nearly this much weight gain. Let's see if I can squeeze a couple more pounds out of these last few weeks.
Lower body hypertrophy
leg press 4 plates per side x15 6 plates x15 8 plates x15 10 plates x25
jacknife twisting crunches bw x15 x20 x25
superset w/ calf sled full stack x10 x12 x20
dips bw x10 x15 x25
superset w/ standing alternating db curls 40's x8(per arm) 50's x8 60's x10
It appears I was hasty in bashing the 1-T. In light of my rampant weight gain I'm going to have to say this stuff is legit. I'm basing this off of the fact that during my first epistane/dermacrine run I didn't see nearly this much weight gain. Let's see if I can squeeze a couple more pounds out of these last few weeks.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
I'm glad to hear you're happy with the 1-T. I was a little disappointed that you found it so mild. Good luck with those last few pounds
Thanks brosky.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Upper body strength -
bench 135 x6 225 x5 275 x5 315 x3 x7 - Finally getting my bench back
hammer strength row 2 plates per side x6 3 plates x6 4 plates x6 5 plates x6 6 plates x9 - bicep felt 100%. That doesn't mean it's 100% but it's a good sign.
db military press 75's x6 90's x6 100's x12
smith shrugs 275 x8 315 x8 365 x16
superset w/ forearm work
Finally seeing some of the strength I've been looking for.
bench 135 x6 225 x5 275 x5 315 x3 x7 - Finally getting my bench back
hammer strength row 2 plates per side x6 3 plates x6 4 plates x6 5 plates x6 6 plates x9 - bicep felt 100%. That doesn't mean it's 100% but it's a good sign.
db military press 75's x6 90's x6 100's x12
smith shrugs 275 x8 315 x8 365 x16
superset w/ forearm work
Finally seeing some of the strength I've been looking for.
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Ian512
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Can you be more specific man? Please lol. No way I can say this without sounding like a dick; but I'm not interested in your work out and how much weight you can do, or the bicep problem your having or what ever. I'm looking to find out how your doing with the Epistane and 1-T. I'm not saying you havn't been giving us some kind of idea as to how it's going but with every description you give us you leave me wanting to know more.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
I went into detail about all the effects of the cycle when you asked me to. Can you think of a better way for me to express the increase in strength I'm getting besides continually posting my workouts from beginning to end? I am happy to answer any questions you have but you need to be more specific about what you want to know.
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Ian512
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Increase in appetite? Added mass? Have you just puffed up, or have your muscles become noticibly bigger? Is the weight you've gained staying or would it go away if you didn't train for 2 days? Is the 1-T hard to apply? From the sounds of it, you were initialy dissapointed with the 1-T but your mind has changed; Why? Noticible increase in aggression? How much did the 3 bottles of Epi and 2 bottles (I'm assuming) of 1-T cost you? What are you going to run for PCT? What are you trying to achieve from this cycle?
EDIT EDIT**
Probably going to get flammed for asking this; but I'm going to do it for my friends sake. I've been trying to convince him to take this exact same cycle with me, but he's convinced that you'd have abnormal growth on the specific places you applied the lotion. Is this true? Or just a myth...
EDIT EDIT**
Probably going to get flammed for asking this; but I'm going to do it for my friends sake. I've been trying to convince him to take this exact same cycle with me, but he's convinced that you'd have abnormal growth on the specific places you applied the lotion. Is this true? Or just a myth...
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ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Alright, those are questions I can answer. My appetite has been up. When you are gaining size and doing a lot of damage to your muscles in the gym it's easier to eat more. It's usually not a problem to get through 9 meals in a day. The size I have gained is dry size. I can tell I'm holding a little bit of water because I'm bulking which means I eat a ton of food and that means more carbs. I have noticed little if any increase in bodyfat.
I was disappointed by the 1-T at first because it took quite a while to do anything. For the first few weeks I didn't notice much of anything, then when I added in epistane things picked up. The reason I think the 1-T is responsible for at least half the weight gain is because the first time I ran epistane I only gained about half this much weight.
All told the cycle cost me around 200 dollars. I used a dose of sustain alpha yesterday and from now till the end of the cycle I'm going to be pulsing it one or two days a week, and then I will carry over using it into post cycle therapy (pct). I used sustain alpha after my first epistane/dermacrine cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) was very smooth. What I am trying to achieve from this cycle is size and strength.
As far as the local growth theory it doesn't make any sense to me, the size I've gained on any type of hormonal product is always proportional.
One more thing I would like to add, the 1-T is kind of a pain to apply. It takes a good 20 minutes to fully dry and leaves you feeling greasy for quite a while after that.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Day 50 1-T Day 29 Epistane
Lower body strength -
squats 135 x5 225 x3 315 x2 365 x1 405 x1(no belt) 455 x5 (belt and wraps) - Tried to be a hot shot last time and squat 495 with no wraps so I decided to scale back and go for more reps this time. First time this cycle I've wrapped my knees.
decline crunches x20 x25 x30
superset w/ one legged calf raises x10 x15 x20 (per leg)
dip machine 200 x10 x20 x30
superset w/ underhand grip pull ups bw x8 x10 x12 - first time doing these since hurting my bicep, everything felt great
rope pressdowns 100 x10 x15 x20
superset w/ preacher curl machine 120 x8 100 x10 120 x10
Lower body strength -
squats 135 x5 225 x3 315 x2 365 x1 405 x1(no belt) 455 x5 (belt and wraps) - Tried to be a hot shot last time and squat 495 with no wraps so I decided to scale back and go for more reps this time. First time this cycle I've wrapped my knees.
decline crunches x20 x25 x30
superset w/ one legged calf raises x10 x15 x20 (per leg)
dip machine 200 x10 x20 x30
superset w/ underhand grip pull ups bw x8 x10 x12 - first time doing these since hurting my bicep, everything felt great
rope pressdowns 100 x10 x15 x20
superset w/ preacher curl machine 120 x8 100 x10 120 x10
bellweather
malcontent extrovert
please keep posting your workout routines and status on your bicep. im finding it fascinating. i love seeing that progress and theres no better way to educate yourself and others than logging it.. its good for others to see the big dogs are people too and dont always fly through cycles without a hitch, i.e. your bicep injury, catching colds, food poisoning, hangovers.. just shows once again doesnt matter how hardcore you are for your first cycle/phase/program, consistency is the golden rule of fitness and lifting..
looking at your diet, i didnt know if you meant you were ingesting 300g of protein a day now or thats what you were doing back in the day, but your daily diet looks somewhere closer to right below 200 highballing it ofcourse, depending on the amnt in your whey powder. though IMO thats more than enough protein for you with the cycle you're on, you're distributing it evenly and more important you're getting sufficient glycogen replenishment post-workout which is of the utmost importance judging by the intensity of your workout. i still pull an arnold from time to time and carry the gallon of OJ during leg day (which always makes for good fun when ppl ask you if you're on the juice, ha) it looks like you're not much on preparing large meals in advance, just doing it old school with the tuna cans (dry i assume) and cottage cheese and oats. awesome. im still climbing the scale so food prep is just a way of life for me.. frequency of meals looks good too btw..
question abt your WO.. i didnt see any ham work in there. i think you mention a back problem? which would explain why no SLD's.. but do you work in seated leg curl? HS standing leg curl? or do you just get enough antogonist hypertrophy in the hams from those fkng crazy front squats yr doing? (srsly, if i dreamt i front squatted that much i would wake up with bigger quads) and if you do have back pain, are those fronts not hurting? what about those decline abs with med ball?
sorry for the ramble, i love this shit. keep up the hard work bro
cheers
-b
looking at your diet, i didnt know if you meant you were ingesting 300g of protein a day now or thats what you were doing back in the day, but your daily diet looks somewhere closer to right below 200 highballing it ofcourse, depending on the amnt in your whey powder. though IMO thats more than enough protein for you with the cycle you're on, you're distributing it evenly and more important you're getting sufficient glycogen replenishment post-workout which is of the utmost importance judging by the intensity of your workout. i still pull an arnold from time to time and carry the gallon of OJ during leg day (which always makes for good fun when ppl ask you if you're on the juice, ha) it looks like you're not much on preparing large meals in advance, just doing it old school with the tuna cans (dry i assume) and cottage cheese and oats. awesome. im still climbing the scale so food prep is just a way of life for me.. frequency of meals looks good too btw..
question abt your WO.. i didnt see any ham work in there. i think you mention a back problem? which would explain why no SLD's.. but do you work in seated leg curl? HS standing leg curl? or do you just get enough antogonist hypertrophy in the hams from those fkng crazy front squats yr doing? (srsly, if i dreamt i front squatted that much i would wake up with bigger quads) and if you do have back pain, are those fronts not hurting? what about those decline abs with med ball?
sorry for the ramble, i love this shit. keep up the hard work bro
cheers
-b
bellweather
malcontent extrovert
please keep posting your workout routines and status on your bicep. im finding it fascinating. i love seeing that progress and theres no better way to educate yourself and others than logging it.. its good for others to see the big dogs are people too and dont always fly through cycles without a hitch, i.e. your bicep injury, catching colds, food poisoning, hangovers.. just shows once again doesnt matter how hardcore you are for your first cycle/phase/program, consistency is the golden rule of fitness and lifting..
looking at your diet, i didnt know if you meant you were ingesting 300g of protein a day now or thats what you were doing back in the day, but your daily diet looks somewhere closer to right below 200 highballing it ofcourse, depending on the amnt in your whey powder. though IMO thats more than enough protein for you with the cycle you're on, you're distributing it evenly and more important you're getting sufficient glycogen replenishment post-workout which is of the utmost importance judging by the intensity of your workout. i still pull an arnold from time to time and carry the gallon of OJ during leg day (which always makes for good fun when ppl ask you if you're on the juice, ha) it looks like you're not much on preparing large meals in advance, just doing it old school with the tuna cans (dry i assume) and cottage cheese and oats. awesome. im still climbing the scale so food prep is just a way of life for me.. frequency of meals looks good too btw..
question abt your WO.. i didnt see any ham work in there. i think you mention a back problem? which would explain why no SLD's.. but do you work in seated leg curl? HS standing leg curl? or do you just get enough antogonist hypertrophy in the hams from those fkng crazy front squats yr doing? (srsly, if i dreamt i front squatted that much i would wake up with bigger quads) and if you do have back pain, are those fronts not hurting? what about those decline abs with med ball?
sorry for the ramble, i love this shit. keep up the hard work bro
cheers
-b
looking at your diet, i didnt know if you meant you were ingesting 300g of protein a day now or thats what you were doing back in the day, but your daily diet looks somewhere closer to right below 200 highballing it ofcourse, depending on the amnt in your whey powder. though IMO thats more than enough protein for you with the cycle you're on, you're distributing it evenly and more important you're getting sufficient glycogen replenishment post-workout which is of the utmost importance judging by the intensity of your workout. i still pull an arnold from time to time and carry the gallon of OJ during leg day (which always makes for good fun when ppl ask you if you're on the juice, ha) it looks like you're not much on preparing large meals in advance, just doing it old school with the tuna cans (dry i assume) and cottage cheese and oats. awesome. im still climbing the scale so food prep is just a way of life for me.. frequency of meals looks good too btw..
question abt your WO.. i didnt see any ham work in there. i think you mention a back problem? which would explain why no SLD's.. but do you work in seated leg curl? HS standing leg curl? or do you just get enough antogonist hypertrophy in the hams from those fkng crazy front squats yr doing? (srsly, if i dreamt i front squatted that much i would wake up with bigger quads) and if you do have back pain, are those fronts not hurting? what about those decline abs with med ball?
sorry for the ramble, i love this shit. keep up the hard work bro
cheers
-b
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Hey bellweather, thanks for taking the time to post. I'll just answer the questions about hamstring work now because I have to get going on a paper soon. Occasionally I hit up the hamstring curls, but for hamstring work I mostly focus on stiff leg deads, rack deads, and good mornings. I did do some stiff leg deads with 495 earlier in the cycle, but you are right to say that I haven't done a lot of hamstring work. It just hit me yesterday that I haven't done any good mornings in months. This cycle I have been mostly focusing on squats and front squats, as I kind of switch back and forth between focus on quad dominated stuff and hamstring dominated movements. After the cycle is over I think I'll start doing more for the hamstrings/lower back. I'm also looking forward to getting back into heavy barbell rows once I know my bicep is at 100%.
bellweather
malcontent extrovert
sweet..
yea take good care of that bicep. im training a guy in his early 40's with 2 prior bicep tears.. he didnt take care of it when either one happened, i.e. he went to dr, took PT for 2 mos, but never performed his thera-band exercises and never really stretched it. which actually the best way to stretch bicep is partner assisted (internal arm twist with total elbow lockout). get one of your buddies to stretch that arm once a day for you and in about 2 weeks you'll be rowing the big nmbrs again. the last thing you want is to tear that bi again and be out for even longer next time..
i love rack deads.. pile on as much weight as you can hold and pull. im afraid of good mornings myself, but with good form they're crucial in a good ham/spinal flexor WO for anyone.
anyway keep us posted on your recovery brosef and have a good workout..
-b
yea take good care of that bicep. im training a guy in his early 40's with 2 prior bicep tears.. he didnt take care of it when either one happened, i.e. he went to dr, took PT for 2 mos, but never performed his thera-band exercises and never really stretched it. which actually the best way to stretch bicep is partner assisted (internal arm twist with total elbow lockout). get one of your buddies to stretch that arm once a day for you and in about 2 weeks you'll be rowing the big nmbrs again. the last thing you want is to tear that bi again and be out for even longer next time..
i love rack deads.. pile on as much weight as you can hold and pull. im afraid of good mornings myself, but with good form they're crucial in a good ham/spinal flexor WO for anyone.
anyway keep us posted on your recovery brosef and have a good workout..
-b
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I don't know if I truly tore the bicep or what. It definitely wasn't a serious tear where the muscle rolled up or anything. It has only been feeling better the last couple of weeks and tonight's workout went well also.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Day 53 1-T Day 32 Epistane
Upper body hypertrophy
freemotion cable incline press 100 x10 130 x10 160 x10 180 x10 - Most I have ever done on this machine
seated low cable rows 150 x8 200 x8 250 x8 300 x16 - Finally hit my stride on these again. No discomfort from my bicep.
smith flat bench 185 x10 225 x10 x25
hammer strength iso lateral wide pulldown 3 plates per side x8 3 plates +25 x8 4 plates x16
hammer strength kneeling lateral raises 110 x8 150 x8 190 x10
superset w/ shrugs on the standing calf raises 300 x10 350 x10 405 x12
Started my last bottle of epistane today.
Upper body hypertrophy
freemotion cable incline press 100 x10 130 x10 160 x10 180 x10 - Most I have ever done on this machine
seated low cable rows 150 x8 200 x8 250 x8 300 x16 - Finally hit my stride on these again. No discomfort from my bicep.
smith flat bench 185 x10 225 x10 x25
hammer strength iso lateral wide pulldown 3 plates per side x8 3 plates +25 x8 4 plates x16
hammer strength kneeling lateral raises 110 x8 150 x8 190 x10
superset w/ shrugs on the standing calf raises 300 x10 350 x10 405 x12
Started my last bottle of epistane today.
B
Big Dane
Guest
Great log. Epistane has received good reviews from others, and I purchased two bottles. I was uncertain how much was just hype. After just reading your entire log I can't wait to get started. Good luck with the rest of the cycle.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Thank you sir. Epistane is the real deal I think you will be pleased.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Day 55 1-T Day 34 Epistane
Lower body hypertrophy
stiff leg deads 135 x8 225 x8 315 x8 405 x10 (belted) - Didn't want to go too heavy.
leg extensions 145 x15 x20 x25
triple superset w/ hanging twisting leg raises x10 x12 x15
and calf press 300 x12 350 x12 400 x20
overhead cambered bar cable extension 100 x15 130 x15 150 x20
superset w/ reverse/regular curls 75 x8 reverse dropset x8 regular, 80 x8 reverse dropset x8 regular, 85 x8 regular dropset x8 reverse
Came down with a cold today but not letting it slow me down. I've had more ailments in the last couple months than I have in the previous year.
Lower body hypertrophy
stiff leg deads 135 x8 225 x8 315 x8 405 x10 (belted) - Didn't want to go too heavy.
leg extensions 145 x15 x20 x25
triple superset w/ hanging twisting leg raises x10 x12 x15
and calf press 300 x12 350 x12 400 x20
overhead cambered bar cable extension 100 x15 130 x15 150 x20
superset w/ reverse/regular curls 75 x8 reverse dropset x8 regular, 80 x8 reverse dropset x8 regular, 85 x8 regular dropset x8 reverse
Came down with a cold today but not letting it slow me down. I've had more ailments in the last couple months than I have in the previous year.
TheMilkMan
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Do those bother your elbows at all?? I tried to do them today and got through about 4 reps before I had to stop and switch up my exercises.
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